In the last episode of Brewed Journeys, we stare into the future, wondering what it might bring.
Frank And gentlemen, we are live. Today is a sad day, at least for me. I don’t know how you guys feel about it, but it is the last Brewed Journey that we will have.
Igor Yeah, I feel sad as well.
Frank Well, all good things come to an end, as do all bad things. In fact, everything comes to an end.
But it was inevitable. So, what are we going to do today? I don’t actually really know, because it’s sort of a look into the future, as we’re all moving on to different pastures.
Sebastian will be a… Oh, we have a special guest. Ismar is here. Ismar will join us now.
So, Sebastian should have a baby by this time next week, if the planning is okay.
Igor Wait, is it next week already?
Frank Apparently, the D-Day, or the Baby Arrival Day… Hello, Isma. The Baby Arrival Day is technically on Monday, the 6th of May.
Igor Oh my God, I can’t believe it happened so fast, because I remember him telling us, and it seems like it was just a few days ago.
Frank Okay, well, a word to your wife, Igor, that when you decide to go down this route, don’t pressurize her by thinking that this is all a Polaroid camera experience. You press the button, and then 10 seconds later, the baby appears. It actually does take a while to become something.
Igor I don’t understand why. It’s just to create a new human being. Why is it so complicated?
Ritesh Recently, I got to know that there are some classes in the United States where if both partners go to the class, they learn about the pain, how the female feels, how the husband should feel, and they do something like that. So, it is really something different. It never happens here, but nowadays, I see that when there is a baby coming out, the husband will go in the room, put his hand, and say, “I’m with you,” something like that.
One of my friends was saying that this is happening, and we were never aware of this kind of situation, but it’s going on.
Igor Wow. Well, you see people walking dogs in strollers here, so I don’t doubt it happens.
Frank Okay, we’re going to return to this topic. I do have a couple of very spontaneous creative questions. Isma, what a pleasure to see you here on The Swan Song.
Ismar There was some change in my routine, then I could be here.
Frank Okay, thank you.
You abandoned us. That’s how I see it.
And you told me that today is the last day, but why is Brewed Journeys finished?
Frank Well, it’s finished or suspended. Well, Igor and I had a… it’s actually all Igor’s fault. Two weeks ago, he sent me a message saying that he wanted to meet up with me 15 minutes before we kick off. And I was driving back from somewhere, I don’t even know where, and I thought, well, this is either… this is going to go two ways. The bad news is he’s going to pull out and move on, because it might be the time to do so, or he’s got a million dollar contract for me, and he’s going to hook me up with Spencer Greenberg, his boss, and we’re going to do weird and wonderful things together.
That was the optimistic side, but the reality was that Igor said he has to move on to greener pastures. And then I sort of had a look at this, and I thought, well, Igor’s departing, Sebastian’s going to have his hands full for the next foreseeable weeks when his daughter arrives, which is sometime next week. You, Isma, sort of indicated that you had other things to do, so that basically depleted the numbers down to me and Ritesh.
And I thought, well, we can do one of two things. We can either kill Brewed Journeys off and call it a day, or we can suspend it and see what happens in September, October. But I’m not sure if we can recreate the magic that we have managed to establish for ourselves. I’m not sure. So I’m veering more towards saying this is an end of the series, an end of the road, but I’m open to being convinced of the opposite, and then we see what happens, and maybe we just do something different.
I’ve created an idea, albeit it moves it to Saturday morning, which works well for everything east of Europe. It doesn’t bode well for everything that is west of Europe. So that is a start. So let’s see where this goes. But if someone is going to convince me of the opposite, then I will be happy to adapt and please and change. It’s up to you guys. But Igor, it’s basically your fault.
Igor It’s always my fault.
Frank Yeah, you’re used to it. So Igor, tell us about… because you said you got promoted and you’re working in weird and wonderful things. So can you at least explain or tell us that the demise of brood journeys is because of a worthy cause, that when we go down, we go down heads held high, stiff upper lip, we go down with great dignity because Igor has done or will be doing something fantastic.
Igor, what is the story on your side about this crystal ball?
Igor Yeah, so I think the main thing is that I got this sort of promotion and now I’m involved with more projects and more responsibilities in my job. That’s the decision driver, because now I have to prioritize, especially my mornings, because the morning is a part of the day most productive and creative. And then now, like back a few months ago, sometimes I would wake up, read, study what I want to study, jump to breeder, and then I would start to work at 10 a.m. And now I can’t do that. I have to start working earlier because I have more things that demand productivity and creativity.
That’s the main driver. But also I would say I have more things I want to dedicate myself in terms of learning and develop myself. Brida was very useful, of course, in terms of improving my English skills, in terms of storytelling, conversation, etc. But now, as everything, I am in a kind of plateau, which is time to reconsider what I’m doing.
So I would say those are the two reasons. First, my job and the fact that I have to use my time better, especially in the mornings. And also being in a plateau, which is part of everything. And I don’t have problems dealing with endings. I think that’s part of life. I don’t think it diminishes the value of anything. The fact that something ends is just part of the cycle.
Frank Part of the journey, yeah. But it would actually be interesting to learn what breeder could offer to meet the higher curve that you are moving to. Not that I’m going to… I don’t know if it’s actually realizable. I don’t know. But to accompany your journey upwards, what are you actually looking for in this kind of breeder environment?
Igor Oh, yeah. So when I say about plateau, it’s like in the big picture, improving my English skills is one of the things I look at. But there are other things. So I want to learn new stuff. I want to do maybe some more formal education. I want to practice more jiu-jitsu. There are tons of things I want to do in my life that are not related to English, right? And then I, at least for now, I chose to put the English part a little bit aside. And that’s why I don’t suggest anything because I don’t see anything breeder could add value.
Frank I don’t think jiu-jitsu really works in that environment. And we have to admit, Igor, that you live in California. So I think it’s the one state in the United States where everything is officially bilingual, Spanish, English, or Spanish and American. So I think you live in an English-speaking environment. So I think at some point everything comes to a natural end because you’re not going to be speaking less English than you are now. In fact, you said to me that you still find it interesting that you speak more Portuguese than English. But I think, and your meetings are fairly sort of standardized with certain boxes of vocabulary, etc. But as time moves on, as you move on in Los Angeles and California, and you start traveling more, you’re not going to need breeder in that sense of the word.
Okay, yes. Anyway, so there it is. There it is. And he rides on like the Marlboro Man into the sunset. Of course, you and I, we are going to continue in some shape, size, or form. Watch this space. But we’re talking about crystal balls. And your crystal ball contains, it’s much more of a personal nature. So do we have a wedding date? Do we have an engagement celebration? Do we have anything? Or is this not the right question to ask you? Because I have a feeling your facial expression is not that positive.
Ritesh Actually, you know that the date and everything is decided by family, parents, and they have not yet confirmed the date. I was hoping that it would go in November or December. And they have not officially consulted with the priest. They will consult and they will get a date. So that is not done. So maybe next week or maybe next month, I can say that they will, it will be decided when.
And about the engagement, it was a ceremony that we people have started and we have not decided at that date also. But everything is like fixed and that does not matter like where it is going to happen. So I’m waiting for the date, but it is not. They have not told us.
Frank So, so good evening, Sebastian. So we are basically the way I interpret this is all you have to do is sit back and relax. And then you will be told where to be at a certain time and what to say. And that is your part in the entire process.
Ritesh Yes, in this matter, like who will come in the marriage and what will happen and everything. If my friends and something I want to invite, I can do that. And apart from that, you know, the personal things like you want to plan your day and everything so that I can do. But that and everything they will decide. So I don’t have to worry about and I can relax.
Frank Yeah. You have any choice in this? I mean, this is a very democratic process. You can do what you can buy. You can buy any car and color you want as long as it’s black and reform. It is done.
Ritesh Some people are very, very like choosy and they are very engaged in in these decisions. But I think that they are doing everything good and I don’t have to take a lot of attention. Otherwise, a lot of responsibility comes on a state that you have to decide everything. So if they will decide and something goes wrong in the planning, they have to carry and they have to live with that. Apart from that, whatever I am planning, that is, I can do.
And about my dress, about the way we will go and things will happen. Apart from that, those things they will take care. So it is like this in India because they have something they want to do for their son and daughter. So they have more engagement in this situation than us. But we also have some choices, like we want to do certain things. And so we do that. But data and everything does not matter. They will decide.
Frank Okay. So it’s a bit different to what you did, Igor, isn’t it? You just sort of booked an appointment down in City Hall, rocked up at 9.30 a.m., said, I do, or I will. And then that was it. Five minutes later, the deed was done.
Igor Yeah, the civil ceremony. Yes, it’s very simple and just a formal thing. But no, yeah, we are doing a huge part in Brazil and it’s quite complex. But we are in the right path now. We found that maybe that’s something interesting for Ritesh because in Brazil, and I would say most of countries, I’m not sure though. There is this kind of professional that will take care of everything. So you hire this professional, right? And then you do like the job your parents are doing with Ritesh. They will take care of everything and you’ll just pay the bills.
Yeah, and of course you get to choose what you want. But all the boring part of like reading contracts, find service providers, making sure everything goes well on this day of the marriage. Everything is taken care of this professional. So we hired one last week. So we are on the right path. Now then the next step is find the place. But we have a few options in our Ritesh. But yeah, I see the job your parents are doing and her parents are doing. It’s like what we just hired someone to do.
Ritesh And one more thing. I just want to say that the place and everything in some part of the country, especially in the cities, you book a place and both the parties will go there and they will have this marriage and everything. So we call it that Mandapam or something, marriage hall. But in our area, some people, they do like this. And some people, what they do, they go to the bride’s place. So as a groom, I will go to my wife’s or fiancé’s place and the marriage will happen at her doorstep.
So this is going to happen in my marriage. So these marriage halls happens only in the cities because they don’t have a place and they want to make everything as organized. But in the village area and everything, it happens that we will go to their house and the marriage will happen in their house. And the marriage continues all night. Some places it happens in the daytime also, but in our place it happens in the night. It starts in the evening 8, 9 or 10 and it will continue till 4, 5 a.m. There’s a lot of rituals and everything is involved.
Oh, so there is the ceremony and then a huge party afterwards?
So it is different. There will be some ceremony in the morning, evening at 8 or 9. Then everyone will go for dinner. There is something like people will stay some places and we will go inside the home. Then there will be rituals. It will happen. Then I will come out. Then my parents will go inside and they will have some rituals with their family and with girls. And then once again, I will go in the morning. Then I will come to my home. So it happens.
So I have to be in front of her home or they will arrange something or we will arrange. But it happens like that. That’s why the timing is very important because it should not rain or there will be some barriers and everything. So they will decide a date and then according to that we will go. And how many people we are trying, our people will go. Like 1000 people or more than 1500 people will go in the marriage. So it is like that.
Igor Wait, in your marriage?
Ritesh Yes.
Igor Okay, wait. Over 1000 people will go to our marriage?
Ritesh Yes.
Igor Okay. How? Who are the people?
Ritesh See, my relatives, family, my parents’ friends and everything, my friends. We are thinking that 1500 people will be getting adjusted in this marriage. But it can be more. So planning should be more for the more people.
I just say you should be invited to that. I just say that. Tell your parents.
Frank Well, this was going to be my question. Is any part of this actually a public ceremony where anybody can attend? I mean, the actual wedding breakfast, as it’s called in England at least, when the families get together and you celebrate the wedding. That of course is a private event. But is the actual wedding ceremony in front of a person authorized to conduct it? Is that actually a public thing?
Ritesh It does not happen in our country. Like I told you that there is no contract sign and everything. So government has raised that issue and they have created that after marriage. You can get a certificate like you are married. But previously it never happened. And about the poor people, that all the people are invited in the marriage, like in their relatives or their villages and everything. Everyone will come to the marriage.
And we have a lot of… see, in India, it’s culturally different thing, right? So suppose my parents and their grandparents and they used to have invitations. So those people are also invited. And it is a long list of the people who comes in the marriage or some other rituals. Yeah, we call it. So those are the times when you invite your people to come and be part of that. That’s how the relations happens. So this is the way, this is the time when you call all the people whom you know. So that’s why this marriage is very, very costlier thing in India.
But it depends on what you are trying to… like how much you want to spend and how you want to do things. But I believe that more than 1500 people may come in my marriage. That’s why I don’t have to worry about that. They will worry about how they are going to arrange, what they will arrange. I have to worry about my clothes, what I want to do, what I want to do after marriage, where I want to go for the honeymoon and everything. So those things I’m taking care of. From that, they will take care of everything.
Frank Speaking, you said an important word, honeymoon. Assuming that your future wife will not listen to this, what ideas are sort of floating in your head when it comes to a honeymoon?
Ritesh Okay, so there are some places in India like Kodaikanal or Ooty or some Nainital in the Himalayas. People go for honeymoons or Ladakh, J&K, Jammu and Kashmir. So it depends on the weather and condition. And some people, what they do, they go to the Maldives. So it depends on the budget, how much you want to spend and all the things. Still I have 5-6 months, so I can do something. So let’s see.
But what happens generally, generally the other places I have seen that people after marriage, the next day they will go for honeymoon and everywhere. But here they don’t do this one because after coming, the girls come to our house, they have to do some rituals, puja and everything. So one week after one, one and a half week after that I can plan. But not immediately that after, today marriage happens and then I can’t go next day to honeymoon like this. So I have to be in home.
Frank And then you will set up home in Bangalore, yeah?
Ritesh Yes, I’m planning for that also. But I’m thinking that in November, December there will be a place for us here.
Frank So you’ve got quite a tumultuous couple of months ahead of you.
Ritesh Yes, yes.
Frank If you put this all into perspective, you have to organize your wedding costumes and what you’re going to wear. You have to organize the honeymoon. You will have to organize, you’ll have to move out of your, what’s it called? A PJ, isn’t it?
Ritesh Paying guests.
Frank Paying guests, you have to move out of your PG accommodation and find a suitable home for your wife. And you have to do some work. So that’s quite a lot of things to do. How much does your future wife get involved in all of this? Is she going to choose what you wear? Does she have a say in where you go on your honeymoon? Are you going to have your first debates about discussing these things? Or is this all on your shoulders and she has to accept what will be given to her?
Ritesh Yes, so for the costumes like we are discussing, they have certain plans. Like our dress would match like this one, that one. You just listen and you say yes to everything. So whatever they say, you have to say that it should look good for them, not for you. So whatever they say. And it is happening, I have to go and buy things together.
And this is for honeymoon part, I have said that I have not given big hope. But it should be something she should not know that it is going to happen. And about the stay and everything. There’s nothing like I have to bring her here. Then there will be some plan for that. But I have started doing that. Some of my friends, they live with their wife. I told you last time I joined from one of my friends home. And he told that he lives in an area where there is a reasonable price and apartments and everything. So I can get a home apartment, not home, and I can live there.
Frank Are you looking to buy or to rent?
Ritesh No rent or not buy. I don’t want to buy at this stage. I don’t have so much money that I can invest in because I’m not fixed in Bangalore. So if I get a better opportunity to move somewhere else in Delhi or Noida or Pune, I can move. So there should not be such a bondage. But you know that we’d give a deposit money when you go for a home. You are giving a rent something 15k every month or 10k. Then you give 10 times of rent as a deposit to them. So it’s a lot of money. But yeah, it happens.
Frank Home ownership is a touchy subject in a lot of countries. Igor, we do have the advantage. We actually sort of have a rough idea where Ritesh lives. So even if an invitation is not forthcoming, I think if there’s about 1500 people milling around on this particular day, I don’t think you and I will stand out in the crowd too much. So I think if we sort of start planning it now, you speak with Spencer and I speak with Mary, then I think we might just about be able to get there towards the end of this year.
On the proviso, of course, that Ritesh’s wedding doesn’t coincide with you and Mari’s wedding celebration. So I think the pair of you need to coordinate this a little bit. The dates don’t collide and that you have enough time to get from L.A. to Northern India and then back to Brazil.
Igor Yeah, I think that’s a good strategy. Because I can go around, right? I don’t have to go to India and then come back. I just keep going.
Frank You just keep heading.
Igor That’s it. They say the earth is round, right? That’s what they still say, right?
Frank Well, it can still be flat and still be round.
Isma, I read somewhere this morning that Madonna is going to give a concert in Rio on Saturday with about 1.5 million potential visitors to this concert. It is a free concert. It’s going to be on the Copacabana. It’s going to be huge. But I also learned in this article that Brazil is one of Madonna’s biggest markets, if you want to say it in that way. That she is very, very popular in Brazil. Given your potential forthcoming career as a local politician in Campo Grande, is there anything that you might want to ask Madonna that can help you become a local councillor?
Ismar I would ask her to teach people how to be a good entrepreneur, how she has been all her life to achieve much success. She has been successful not only in her career, but as to manage, I suppose, six kids. I think it’s hard to manage a career and six kids. I suppose that he had married maybe three or more times, but I wouldn’t ask her any advice about this topic.
Frank Just the art of making a couple of dollars to finance all of this, which I suppose once you’ve got your first couple of dollars, it becomes easier after that. The more you have, the easier it becomes to accumulate on that. Are you a fan of Madonna? Are you going to watch this on TV?
Ismar I used to be, but now I don’t listen to much music now.
Frank Okay. All right. Well, I’m certainly going to be on the lookout for it.
Ismar That’s interesting because she was singing in Spanish and English.
Frank Okay. We’re going to stop for a commercial break from one of our sponsors, Ismar, and you happen to be this sponsor. Would you like to promote your latest Brida project to Ritesh and Sebastian?
Ismar Oh, yes, of course.
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Frank Igor, well, that’s sort of as it is.
Ismar Oh, Igor . Okay.
Brida has launched a new phase with some projects. I suppose now we have three or more. And using the theme of my discussion with you maybe a month ago, success, Frank motivated me to launch a success project. So I’d like to invite you three to take part in the success project and answer some questions. Initially, you have ten questions, one by week, and you can give any kind of your suggestions. And maybe you can add some new questions as well. And I hope to see you three in our projects, success project. Thank you.
Frank And that was a message from our sponsor, Ismar. Thank you very much for this.
So yes, in Java Junctions on Brida, Isma has launched his success discussion. All you have to do is join Java Junctions, go to success, join the group, and Isma will post in weekly intervals for the next two and a half months a question which you may answer. You may not answer. You can write as long or as short as you want. You can put a video, you can do anything you want. Just answer the question as best as you can. And then at the end of all of this, Isma and I will create a little booklet which will be then the Brida guide to success, everything you wanted to know about finding the key to success.
Right. Can we call you daddy yet, Sebastian?
Sebastian No.
Frank No?
Sebastian Not yet.
Frank Why not?
Sebastian Because there is no baby there.
Frank Are you looking under your desk? Is there a baby down there?
Sebastian I can’t see. No, not yet. No, no. Everything is quiet. And so we’re just waiting, you know.
Igor Is everything ready to go to the hospital when the time comes?
Sebastian For sure. Everything is packed and ready to go. This morning I woke up at five o’clock. I can’t sleep.
Igor You are already practicing, right?
Sebastian We had some friends of us were here on Saturday. So they got their baby two weeks ago. And so we got the feeling how everything starts. You know, you need to find out how to handle everything when she starts crying, in this case. And so, yeah, it was a good outlook, you know.
But, yeah, okay.
The tide is different, you know.
Frank Ismar, you have a question.
Ismar Sebastian said that he can’t take part in, but I suppose that you are free, can participate a lot. Because I suppose not. I’m sure that you are a free example of a successful man. Because Igor moved to Los Angeles, got a promotion, got married. And Ritesh is in the process to get married as well. And Sebastian is a successful man in his career. And now we can see that he’s been successful as well in her family because his family is getting big.
And I suppose that you can publish for our community your witness, your testimony on how to be successful.
Frank Well, that was a political statement, if ever I heard. Your private career and your familiar time of life.
Sebastian Nice try, Ismar. What do you want? What a nice transition, you know. What a nice transition to this topic.
Frank You woke up at 5 o’clock in the morning. Did Claudia notice this? Or is this training in selective hearing that when the baby does cry, by some miracle you become tone deaf and Claudia has to get up and do all the work?
Sebasitan Yeah, I see it as a training. Maybe it’s good that she was sleeping and that we woke up at different times. But yeah, no, she was sleeping. And I haven’t told her yet that I woke up this morning. But yeah, I think it’s normal.
Frank I think us four people here will have no problem being kind enough to support you in your endeavour and tell her that you were awake at 5 o’clock in the morning, ready to jump at the first scream that your daughter will produce to say, daddy, I’m hungry, give me something to drink.
Sebastian The problem is I don’t have a milk bar.
Frank Other milk bottles are available. You can of course use formula and have it in the fridge.
Sebastian Yeah, maybe. But we had a really funny moment. When was it? On Sunday. We were at a communion. And at the end everybody said to Claudia, good luck and all the best. And I said, don’t think too much just on her, what’s going on with her. You also have to think about me, what’s going on with me during this process. And the women were looking at me and I felt a lot of flesh on the ear, which goes to me.
So I think I would suggest when we are in the hospital that they need to care more also for the father than not only for the woman.
Frank So what would you like the hospital to do for you?
Sebastian I think they need to care also better for the ongoing fathers. It’s not a joke, not completely. Because I was talking to my friends and how they experienced the birth or the child was born. And when the wife, when you have this process of getting your baby and when they are not talking to you at the end, I think that’s also a really critical moment to communicate better.
Not telling a long story when there is no time but explain it a little bit more what’s ongoing. And that was also a moment when they got their baby and they put it away and put the mask on it to get oxygen into it. And they had no idea what’s going on. And you get the feeling, okay, what is going on?
And that is something, it was a joke at the beginning a little bit, but that makes sense to give a short information about what they are doing. And they’re not laying or staying there and you don’t know what’s going on.
Frank It sounds quite serious if they don’t have the time to communicate with an oxygen mask on this poor kid’s mouth and nose. That must have been a very close call. So I take it you will be there from beginning to end, yes? You will stand by Claudia’s side?
Sebastian I try to, yes. Maybe I wake up when I cross the threshold and then I get…You become unconscious. And then I’m passing away for some hours. I try to.
Frank You’re passing out if you pass away. Pass away is fairly permanent, passing out is more temporary.
Sebastian The feeling is the same, but the time is a bit longer or shorter. I try to.
Frank So have you bought cigars for everybody?
Sebastian No, no, no. I wouldn’t smoke a cigar. We will have some beer after it, but no cigars.
Frank No, no Cuban cigars are in your household. Very disappointing.
Sebastian It’s not necessary.
Frank Okay, so you, of course, Sebastian, are light years ahead of Ritesh and Igor. And that you are about to become daddy. And that this whole nine-month period when this baby was developing, which totally surprised Igor that it takes so long. This was before you joined us. I think Igor’s idea of a baby is you just click on a button that’s downloaded through the internet.
Igor I expected more from Germany. I expected more. How is it not efficient? More efficient? How is it, Sebastian? What are you guys doing? I think we need to improve it a little bit. Why are you guys not optimizing it?
Sebastian We would do it if it would be possible.
Igor I’m disappointed.
Sebastian Can imagine, can imagine.
Frank So in view of any potential optimization processes and efficiency drives through the baby development department of a country, that’s probably the reason why the population is going back because the only way Germany is increasing is through emigration. So maybe your call to optimizing and improving the baby developing process, you might have something going there for you, Igor. But until that all happens, Sebastian, Ritesh and Igor are still to experience what you have just gone through. Do you have a word of advice for them?
Sebastian Not really.
Ritesh I have a question.
Frank Yeah, Ritesh.
Ritesh Yeah. So see, maybe we all are the main men here and we don’t know the experience, but someone is listening to this conversation. Then they can say that what silly they’re talking. But the question is that I have heard from my friends and all that during this pregnancy period, like there are a lot of mood swings and you get a lot of things and they tell everything and they shout and everything. So do you think it is a fair thing to say that during this pregnancy, women get a little, what do you call, not getting the right word, but they try to say more things and they get very moody.
Frank Very emotional, very emotional.
The hormones go crazy and women’s personalities changes and all sorts of weird. I mean, not that we understand women on the outset, but it just seems to get worse during the nine months. Is this your experience, Sebastian?
Sebastian No, not really. Not really. I think she is or was not more emotional. No, not really. I don’t see a difference to nine months before. If you ask me what has changed as a general question, I have no idea. So yes, you know, you have this big belly. Yeah. That’s clear. And at the moment it is, you know, it grew over the last two weeks.
Igor It maximized.
Frank It maximized. That’s a nice, efficient term, isn’t it? When you see Igor, it’s beginning to work.
Sebastian But at the end, no. She wasn’t crying a lot of times. No, not really. And she didn’t eat crazy stuff. Not really. No.
Igor And what are the arrangements once the babe comes to the house? So, are both of you take care or is like someone coming over to help? What are the arrangements?
Sebastian So, yes, I will have three weeks holidays from the beginning on. And so, yeah, we will have a midwife, a midwife that is coming every day at the beginning to us, visiting us. And after one year, two months, she will work again. That’s the plan. And I take over. I have four months parents leave.
Okay, so. When it comes to the really important things so that our baby has to go to the childhood, then I’m responsible. We will see what’s happening. Oh, yeah.
Igor Which is the hard part, right? Yeah. It’s the hard part.
Sebastian That’s the hard part. The first months are easy. They just have to be fed every hour. But yeah, we will see if I’m able to handle it. But everybody is telling me, you know, this small child will.
It’ll wrap you around her thumb. That was what everybody was talking to me. What they said to me was the expression to wrap you,
Frank to wrap somebody around their thumb or their little finger or their finger. I’m not quite sure exactly how it goes. But basically flattery will get you everywhere or flirting will get you everywhere or something along those lines. Claudia and Sebastian’s daughter will just have to twinkle with her eyes. And both of them will melt and do anything, everything from day one until the day she moves out and beyond as well.
Sebastian And it also means that when I have to take her to the childhood every day, I have to cry in front of the childhood. So that’s the result at the end, you know.
Igor Okay. Yeah, that’s exciting. That’s exciting. Might be exciting to expect a baby.
Frank Yeah. So in 2045, your daughter will be twenty one years old.
Sebastian Yeah.
Frank Ismar, in 2045, you and I will be walking around on our Zimmer frames in our 80s if we’re lucky. So we’re not going to explore that option. Ritesh, 28 plus 21 is 46. Any idea, any figment of any information or imagination of what you might be doing when Sebastian’s daughter will turn twenty-one?
Ritesh Okay. So I know I will not wait for so long to have kids. So maybe two, three years. Okay. So, yeah, my my son and if the educational system is like that, then he might be in high school and doing he or she like it doesn’t matter. And after that, I don’t know if I live in Bangalore because it is getting very crowded. But I don’t know the economic situation. And if the technology is as good as I can see right now, then I might be working from home or I if I if I have saved enough, I might not be working like there is a concept is going on that you don’t wait for retirement. You make your retirement. So you don’t have to work for 50, 60. You can have some money, decent money, and then you can work. So I don’t know that if government is going to pay for my kids or there there will be having a universal basic income or something like that. But I see that in this time, like I will be living a good life and having kids.
Igor How many children do you want to have?
Ritesh So I actually I want two kids, but it depends on the mother’s also right. If you want more or only one, that’s fine. But we should have consultation and we should agree on the number. But it happens. Actually, you know that in some family in India, like especially in my parents, they were looking for a girl child like we are three brothers. So they were waiting for the thoughts would be a girl. Then there should not be any kid. Then my sister is the youngest one. So it happens like some people want girls. Some people don’t want, especially our society is male dominated and patriarchy, something like that. But some people, they look for girls because they say that these are Lakshmi, like goddess of wealth and all the things that should come in the house. If one generation you don’t have daughter, then there will be something happening in your something like that. So they look for daughter. So sometimes you have two kids and your parents say that, no, I want one more. No, nothing like that. Then we have to plan for one. It happens. I’m saying I’m saying truth. Like it happens in every Indian family that they say that. If you say that, I know after this kid, I’m getting sterilization, something like that. The women’s get off on something like that or men. So they will start crying. They will start making a whole big of all the relatives family. They will come in home. They will start giving gun and knowledge that no, you should have extra kid like this one, that one. Then it happens. But I generally I’m thinking about two kids, but I don’t know in the future. We will maybe see.
Frank Igor, the clock is ticking. You have four minutes to wrap this show up with any philosophical thoughts about your life in 21 years from now.
Igor I have no idea. I don’t think it would be very different. But yeah, I plan to have kids the most I can. Yeah, because you’re part of the show. Yeah, I don’t think two is good enough. I’m looking for three or four. Yeah, or five. I want to live like in a rural place with a lot of animals, with a huge family, a lot of good food. And that cause the home to live. That’s my life plan.
Frank I would like to think that maybe all of us will stay in contact and be able to meet again and figure out what actually has happened. Whether Ritesh will have achieved his retirement, whether Isma and I are still walking around in Zimmer friends or we’ve decided to throw in the can and just call it a day. Whether Sebastian and Claudia’s daughter has wrapped them around her little finger. And whether you, Igor, have managed to convince Mari to produce that much life in a period of relatively short time and live in a rural place with lots of animals.
Igor Yeah, I’m working on that. I’ll just say, Ritesh mentioned the Indian families, they expect to have girls. And my mom, she had six men throughout her life. So she didn’t have one single girl.
Frank There’s no pressure on you then at all to produce girls, yeah?
Igor Yeah, exactly. And she always says she didn’t want the girls. She always wanted the boys. Maybe she would be considered, I don’t know, cursed or something like that.
Frank Maybe you can optimize that process a little more in California or in Brazil, wherever the first child decides to say hello. Igor, you have the last word.
Igor I just want to say thank you for being on board for all this time. I think it’s one and a half maybe, right?
Frank Yeah.
Igor Yeah, so I’m still here. So I’m not moving away or anything. So feel free to reach out if you guys want to chat about something. I won’t be able to attend the meeting regularly anymore. But yeah, I’m here to chat whenever you guys want to chat. And yeah, I always tell everyone that I’m very lucky. Like, I don’t like the word success because it can mean like 1000 different things. But I attribute my success in quotes, right? For being lucky enough to find good people throughout my journey in different phases of my life. And yeah, like I see you guys as like, I am very lucky to have met you guys in the right moment and be like with you guys throughout this time. So thank you. That’s what I want to say.
Frank You’re welcome. You’re welcome, Igor. The world is a small place. The communication is improving. We will always stay in some contact, somehow, some way. That is no problem. Right. So gentlemen, unless I hear otherwise, unless I hear a call, please, please, please, Frank, we will do everything and continue. This has been the last journey. It’s been actually started as the Tuesday get together. And then Igor decided it was a dumb name. And I agree with him. And then he called it Brood Journey. So gentlemen, thank you very much for a fantastic ride. Most of it has been recorded. Most of it is available in the podcast section of Greedr. I’m certainly going to treasure this one because it just shows that when you build a relationship and the only two people whom I’ve met or the only person who I’ve met physically is Sebastian. The others of us we have never met in 3D face to face physical environment. But it kind of shows me that if you have a good conversation and you build a rapport, then you can actually sort of become something between an acquaintance and a friend online. It is possible. It’s not easy, but it is possible. So gentlemen, with that, thank you very much. I will see you at various stages in various places. Take care. All the best to all of you.