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Frank And we are live. So, welcome to actually episode two of Coffeehouse Chronicles. Last week’s episode went down the tube, but we will try again in the second episode of Coffeehouse Chronicles. Welcome, Ritesh. I hope that it works. How are you today?
Ritesh I’m doing good. Thank you, Frank.
Frank You’re doing good. Always doing good. Are there moments when you aren’t doing good?
Ritesh If you have some working days in the evening, I can say I’m tired or something like that. The day was not good. But generally, I don’t have any problems or stress points. Generally, I do good.
Frank Well, I wonder how many people would pay you to ask you for advice. You don’t have any problems or any stress points. How do you manage that?
Ritesh So, it’s like you don’t have to think much and give a lot of… You don’t have to look on others. See, most of the time, the stress and the problems get created when you start looking at others and you try to be like them. I think I should be whatever I have and whatever I’m doing.
It’s a good point. And for people like us who are working in the corporate environment, you see a lot of gossip happens in the office. So, you don’t have to be part of all those things and your life is easy. You don’t have to worry about it and you don’t have to think about it a lot.
Frank Ritesh, you have the potential to become a guru with that attitude.
Okay, so let’s add a little bit of artificial stress into people’s lives by way of news, media, and being informed, or maybe not being informed. Because the format of the Coffee House Chronicles is for future people to talk about what is happening in their immediate surroundings, how it affects them personally, what they do, how they react to it, what they think about it, what’s good, what’s bad. And the idea is to where I want to start today is to explore a little bit because in Bangalore or in India, you are in a peculiar situation, at least for everybody outside of India, that the country is so enormous, so diverse, that staying informed is probably an art in itself because you just don’t know where to start. And maybe for us living outside, looking at Indian media, Indian politics, and Indian sports and Indian life in general, the big question is where do you start? So, Ritesh, how do you keep up with what’s going on?
Ritesh Okay, so it’s all about the interest you have. You see the variety of things available here is different, too much. So, people, first of all, you can’t follow one newspaper on one media house or channel and you’ll get all information about the situation or the things going on in the country. So, if you look at our demographic, India is like a continent. You will find different people, different languages, and different problems with them. So, for getting all things, like if you want to know about the South Indian, what is going in South Indian, you have to follow some of the local newspapers. And we have an English newspaper which is mainly focused on South India. Some are the big newspapers which are dominating in the industry, and they give news all over India. But if you look at their papers, they have, I don’t know, it is a case of everywhere, but they have some pages which are dedicated to that part of the country and you get the local news in those pages. So, some of those problems you face in the South and the problems going on in this part of the country, people are not generally keen to know about in the other parts of the country. So, if you see that some years back, there was a big flood in Chennai and Bangalore, but people are not keen to know about what is going on in this area and how many people died and what happened and what is the problem, who is not solving these problems in North and some part of the North, like especially in the East part of the country, Northeast, I can say. And similarly, that something is happening in the Northeast, people are generally not conscious about their problems and situations in the South. And sometimes the people who are politically aware of the situations, they can talk about this, but generally people are not interested in all those things. So now it’s coming on the language they are speaking is different, the content they get is different, the situation, the problems is different for the people. Some part of the country is not too much attached with those parts of the country and they don’t think too much about them as a general level or at the people’s level, we can’t say at the political level because they can say that we are aware and all the things. So what is binding us together, like some of the things like cricket, matches, they come together and they discuss all the things, but still then cricket also we see the regional, there’s teams which is based on the regions. Some people like Bangalore has a team, Chennai has a team, Delhi has a team, Kolkata, Mumbai has a team. So there is a fan base for those teams and they fight for that. So people are busy with themselves and they look for the local newspapers, they read newspapers. But now I see that because of the social media, especially the Twitter and Facebook has created a lot of avenue to people are aware of the certain things which is going in the other parts of the country. And generally they use those news for mocking other people. See everywhere they say that we are growing. They say that we are better than some part of the country, especially in terms of education, financial situations, development. So they say that there’s a lot of divide. And there is a lot of points to connect. They get connected, but there’s a lot of divide also. And they think about regional. I think I spoke with you, there’s a regional pride in our country. They feel proud about their language, their region, their state. And to coming out the news, how people get, so it depends on your choices. And some of the news channels I see, not news channels, news portals, which have done very innovating things like you don’t have to read full article to know about the news, because most of the time, what you see that lot of garbage in the news, they, for sake of making a news, they will create a lot of big one pages news, big news, but some of the news portal, I see that they will give headlines. They’ve gives a summary, and you are happy with the news. You are informed and that is fine. I don’t use, but some of the people, colleagues, I see that they use those news channels portals and they read a lot.
Frank In your particular situation, in your personal situation, how do you deal with it? Because you are originally from the North and your work has taken you to the South. So do you try personally to balance news from your home region or do you now say, well, I live in the South, I live in Bangalore, so what’s happening at home is no longer relevant or important to me and what I get, what I need to know, my friends will tell me through any other channel that I use, social media or whichever. So how do you personally deal with this two city, two area situation when it comes to finding out what’s happening?
Ritesh Yeah. So for me, especially I don’t watch news channels. I want to give you a little background in Indian channels. Like we have regional, I told you that we have a lot of languages. Obviously, we have 22 languages, but some of the languages they are demanding that it should be added into some called 7th schedule or something like that. There is a part where they get official recognition from the government that and some of the things they will do. Like we have an exam called NEET. It’s for the admission in the MBBS course, medical and so the course is held in 22 languages and it is a very big challenge. You know that doctor is not going to study in local languages, but for sake of giving this a pride in the local because it is officially recognized by the government. Then they had to make the paper because you don’t want to discriminate people based on the language. They know this is the concept because of that this is done. Similarly, the layer news channels are based on the region, regional region. So for the because of this divide, they have focused in certain area and the our capital is based on the North and you will find very less about South they are talking in the main mainstream media. So long back I what I did I stopped watching news channels for me getting information is through the Twitter or YouTube and I directly go and search on the Google and you can find newspapers and read it. I don’t follow a single newspaper because newspapers are there is a saying going on they have coined a term lap media you can translate in directly in Hindi English is lap media Godi media we call it. So what they do they they generally give information or they give news related to the political party they fund and especially the government which is in power be it in a state level or the central level. So I don’t watch those news channels and I don’t have an interest in watching the news channels because they repeat same news. Then for me I read Twitter. Twitter is also very biased because you whoever is you you are following you will get their news and there’s a lot of content and you can’t process process through your mind. So what you do you follow some of the people who are genuinely giving information about the news and you just look at the some articles and if I want to look for the what is going on I don’t care about the local things what is going on at the city level what is going in my city and all the things I look at the broader picture what is going in the state level central level and read those news and I don’t worry about this what is happening in Bangalore but certain things you get to know about from your colleagues they start talking about they start discussing about I will give you one incident like recently what happened that people in Bangalore what they started doing that they the language is different not is it is official language is something different we call it Kannada and the people all the shops they had banners in English and the people from the like they have a group they want to promote their language they started vandalizing their shops they started blocking their sign boards that you are not working putting the local languages and all so living in apartment and going office and coming back to home I was not aware but one of my colleague he was started discussing and what he told that that day it was burned means what you call burned is in India it’s lot lot it’s made I mean it happens that some of the organization they will call it burned is like stopping all the vehicle they can’t go government public traffic is closed because of this protest yeah it was blocked yeah it was yeah and that time one guy is coming by scooter or his bike to office and they started beating him and because when they stopped he was speaking in some other language and they say that this guy is living here for so many years he don’t know the local local language they started beating him and then there was a lot of big news but I was not aware then he told me and that said that don’t go out and if you go be like this and then so some of the news which is affecting our life which don’t come in the local media or main media also because they don’t want to destroy their reputation this being Bangalore is a place where all that tech industry is here there’s no discrimination there is no violence or something like that it was not showing in the media but people they inform that this is happening so some of the news you get from the your circle but most of the time I am not very keen about knowing the local issues and issues going in my hometown I look at the product pictures and there’s a some avenues where I can find details.
Frank How do you or other Indians feel about the foreign perception of India there is there is actually a concrete example and and I’ll I’ll explain it to you so I subscribe to the New York Times and there I saw I didn’t actually read it but I saw an article about the fresh water situation in Bangalore it was apparently it was quite a long article and the gist of it as much as I sort of gleaned over it was that the city the state the government whoever is investing a lot in upgrading the water system in in Bangalore but it is nowhere near a perfect solution and then there are some there were some pictures and the the question that I have is how should a person who does not live in India but wants to talk about this subject to understand it more approach a sensitive discussion like this because of the differences in infrastructure the differences in in daily life situations possibilities and does a newspaper like the New York Times which you know has an excellent reputation do they focus on one particular problem because they it’s at the end of the day it sells copies it sells advertising but they distort the bigger picture so what advice can you give to somebody who wants to understand India through the media even though it might actually be contaminated and this person doesn’t want to tread on anybody’s toes he just wants to have a natural inquisitive discussion how do we approach this?
Ritesh Yeah so there’s a lot of problems in our country I know but what we generally see that media foreign medias only focus on the problems we have their approach is to show the negativity and because of that whenever the whenever a party ruling in the country they always see the foreign media as they always see the foreign media as their adversary because they bring a lot of negativity and the opposition always say that it’s true they are doing their good job because the our media the current Indian media they are not showing our problems they are not giving the space to the opposition leaders the people to show the negativity or show the problems which is there in our country they always try to bring good things to people and this is the point of conflict within the opposition and the ruling party because whenever we have seen the tendency because I was not politically aware 10 years back when I was graduated when I started engineering that time I was seeing that these peoples we have a lot of problems and the government is hiding and that time the opposition was the media was supporting opposition so much that there was a revolution in 2014 or 13-14 and people changed that government because I was not aware my parents were aware or my father I especially they were aware of the situation because it was like that so if you look at New York Times or any news media foreign press especially DW and France were friends to our France 24 or something like that and we have a Russian what you call the name I’m forgetting they have official yes there’s a big one CNN in England they have Sky News and all these international outlets yeah yeah so every time you will read something about country and something is happening in India it’s a negative only and because of that the people don’t like or government they suppress those things but what I see the recent thing that they have started creating a video in local languages also especially that DW news they have I don’t know this Germany German news yeah it’s a German it’s a German channel yeah yeah so they have a dedicated portal where they publish the news in Hindi and people like them because suppose I am not I’m aware that this local media is not showing the correct picture of our country or situations people go to those news media news portals and watch their content they will not they will not be too critical to the government because they are working in the country but they can show the pictures especially these news and you can see the BBC Hindi is also there they have a lot of network in country they go to the opposition party they ask their opinions at least their interviews because right now the election is going on you will look at the channels and local news media or Indian news media they are public they are having into they are taking interviews from the ruling government party and their leaders and ministers but they are not taking interview from the people who are in opposition and even if they are taking the interviews of those opposition leaders they are behaving like they are in the government and they are opposing them and people are saying that their main job is to ask the government make them responsible they have not done they promise something and they have not done but if you look at the especially those for press and media personality they are asked they are questioning opposition not the government and this is the bad trend for for our democracy or our country then coming to that you talked about the New York Times New York Times yes right so yes yes we have water issue in Bangalore and this was due to the once again the bad implementation like you see that the Bangalore is suddenly boomed and there’s a lot of development what they did they took all these lakes they they gave to the developers they filled that lake and they made a big buildings and because of that there was a water crisis because water is not going inside so there is a river near to the Bangalore we call it Kaveri river and it is going to the Tamil Nadu there’s a next state new state different state and there is a case going on Supreme Court that you can’t stop all the water from the river and you can’t let the you can’t stop water from going to the Tamil Nadu so they are not there is no enough water to supply to the city and space and you see the lot of apartments here in Bangalore they don’t have groundwater supply they are dependent on the tanker water so what happened that there is a government outlet and the certificate that you can’t you can take water or you can purify water and you can give to the tanker and that tanker goes to the apartments so suppose it is a 16 or 17 story building every day you need hundreds of water hundreds hundred tankers of water and because of that see there is a water see Bangalore is based this is located on the top of one mountain and you this if you want ground water you have to drill up to hundred thousand meters feet and then you’ll get water so this is a problem but some of the people’s generally in India they they think that the foreign place is hostile to us and and sometimes say that the people paid news are published in those news newspapers also and this is a big concern in India see if you you are in USA if you’ll say lobbyist it’s a general term you can say that they lobby and they get something done but same thing in India they see very bad in light if you are doing something it should be out of the charity not to taking something money and doing something so because of that but people are sometimes they especially brings a lot of our bad things which we have to take care but yeah but if you are not getting a space in local media you will go and talk to foreign press and bring those issues right especially you look at the we had this emergency during Indira Gandhi period everything was controlled if you are a news editor your office will have a policeman in your office and he will say that what you have to print and there was a big news article a newspaper what they did they they put the front page blank yeah and it was yeah and at that time the BBC news and everything was very very helpful and people from the underground they spoke and brought those issues to the globe that we are having a dictatorship and we there is something they didn’t do anything out of unconstitutional but it was something and people are remember that is a black day in our history and right now the situation is same thing same but it is a more controlled people they say that we don’t have officially but it is happening.
Frank Yeah it seems almost an irony that yes I listen to the BBC World Service that’s probably my I’m not a TV person I’m a radio person and I think I would get most of my information of what’s going on if I’m not reading any newspapers I will listen to the BBC World Service because it is relatively balanced in its in its outlook but it seems a pity that I if I want to learn more about India I would have to listen to the Hindi service of the BBC but of course I don’t understand Hindi yeah so I would have to learn the language in order to appreciate what’s going on in India from a from a different perspective and not get the filtered version that the BBC English version the main version will then give to me and because news items are competing for time and attention I will only get a 30-second slot on the Indian elections for example and I get the usual message that they are you know India is the world’s greatest democracy the elections take place over a six-week period with rolling processes that states will take it in turns to vote or people in states will take it in turns to vote etc etc and then the usual comment of the autocratic nature of the current government and then the opinions about that so you can really see how we are being pushed into a certain sense into a certain direction in our foreign perception of the country because we do not speak Hindi or any other of the 22 official languages never mind the hundreds of unofficial languages that exist so so it’s it’s very very difficult.
Ritesh Yeah yeah and Frank whenever see it’s all about the perception right the if you look at the current government they they they are more focused on policing or they are showing the shining picture of the country and if you look at the foreign press or anywhere if you look at their press conference they try to portray that everything is going good and people have a lot of question you know that in India we have electronic voting machine EVM we call it so so then in the last two elections people are not satisfied with that system they say that whatever most of the people say that whatever people are selecting it is not it is not showing the will of the people there’s a lot of questioning see and they say that there is a so many countries especially that Germany and they have banned this electronic voting machine and they say that it can be manipulated but you if you look at our government stance they say that it can’t be done it’s like a calculator if you place press two and two plus two it will come two and there’s a lot of things is going on and these people they gave that so many countries they banned EVM because it can be done it is electronic and you can manipulate so they say that let’s consider that why you are considering that those people are advanced in technology than us and we can’t make better machines and and like that and okay fine everything is okay then what happened the government what they did there was a rule that if you want to elect it’s a little bit politics but it is a very very big issue if you want to elect a electoral election commissioner so the person who is responsible for the elect conducting the election and he has a constitutional mandate and he cannot be affected by judiciary neither by the government and they have full power everything and it was a process that if you want to elect a election commissioner there will be opposition leader in the central level and then will be a the prime minister or we can say the leader of the party ruling party and there will be a chief justice of India what this government did before this election they have bent that rule and they said that the one person is the law minister or home minister yeah home minister from the government and then the prime minister leader of ruling party prime minister is a leader of ruling party and there will be a leader of opposition who is electing the selecting the election commissioner now think about the as a person who is not involved in Indian politics and anything you don’t have to do with anything fairness of the selection of the person who is going to conduct the election commission the two person is from the ruling government who will they will select they are going to select a impartial person they are going to select the person who is going to help them is this possible yeah this is possible it is going to because they want anyhow the politicians they want to be in power they will do anything to be in power they can say that we have interests of the people we have the interest of the country but their main interest is to be in power so that they can do something for the country and this is this was the big issue the case went to the Supreme Court and they said that they didn’t strike that law but they said that the person selected within the hours within the day or one day or two day how you can the leader of opposition can assess his credibility his impartiality and within 24 hours he was selected two persons are selected totally we have three election commissioners and out of three two are selected within one day and the main concern is that we have modal code of conduct election model MMC we call it you can’t ask vote based on the religion you can’t ask people vote vote based on the some you can’t do hatred you can’t even before we have seven phase of elections so every phase before two days you can’t go and ask people to vote you will give two days cooling period that they can decide that whom they want to vote and all those things and the current government current ruling party is breaking all the laws and still the election commissioners are not doing anything and there was a case that whole country not especially whole country we can say the whole people the people who have sense of little bit about the elections and the political thought they wrote so many letters writings and everything to election commissioner they say that the prime minister is asking vote based on the religion and all the things what they did and he’s violating the modal code of conduct what the election commissioner they did they didn’t wrote a letter to that person that you are violating you have been you will be barred from conducting public rally he wrote directly to the head of the political party that maintained the code of conduct and all those things see the irony that and they wrote to the opposition leader also that he maintained the code of conduct and everything and in previously we have seen that because of the violation of the code of conduct one prime minister lose lost their power and he was debarred from the conducting the contesting the election for the five years and we have seen a lot of cases but and see this was the main case and if there’s a little bit impassivity was there in our local media or the mainstream media in India they should have reported this issues or even the quiz but they are not reporting all those things people are not getting those information and so if it is not done in that people will rely on the foreign press and say but how many people are reading the foreign press in India in any country in any country yeah how many people read different language newspapers I mean it’s relatively easy to do that you just find the website and then you you know you you can bookmark it you can read through it and you can even break paywalls I mean that’s technologically possible as well the question that I have is is it possible or is India a polarized polarized country as extreme as for example the United States are or as we heard a couple of days ago here in Europe in Slovakia where the leader of the of the government was victim of an almost assassination attempt and you you you read about deep deep divisions in society affecting political and normal discourse and that for example in Slovakia it’s almost taboo to talk about politics because you just don’t know what’s going to happen yeah which is a pity so a country as diverse and as complex as India how polarized is it and where are the lines where are the red lines where are the lines that people do not cross is it first of all on a religious level the fact that you have the discussion between Hindus and Muslims then you talk about party politics and then you talk about anything else that that comes into the equation so can you give us a picture of the polarized level of polarization in India okay so Frank in this 10 years the India has gone he has become too polarized based on the religious level and people have forgotten the their issues their own issues their problems what is going on and they they think about the religious best the politics is the current government the main achievement was during the 2014 era when the different government was that they they worked very hard to make people come to question government based on the corruptions going on corruptions there was a lot of correction not there was a corruption sense of corruption because the and the later state of the time all the government all the cases got focused means there was no result of the those cases and they they brought a sense of that the person or this party is going to do something for the country and everything when they came in the power their main focus was to create a religious division and you know that in our country 80% are Hindus and rest 20% we can say they’re Muslims Christians and Parsi the juris the persons who came from the Iran I am forgetting their religion we call it Parsi in India and some some are from the Israel and the Jews people are there in country and they are very wealthy so they they their main focus was to create religious pride first they told that they they did the victimization that we are the victims of the lot of hundreds of years thousands of years of conqueror especially from the Middle East or Muslim conqueror they destroyed a lot of temples they they took a lot of monies then there was a colony colonizer from the British and they did the lot of things they took our everything and there was something who then took our religion and people then got converted and all the things this is the main talk during five years from the 14 to 19 then they did and they won the election there were so many things and right now if you look at the people the person they they will say that I am voting for him because he had done something for my religion especially them built a temple and it’s too much divided previously people are based on we have a lot of differences between the caste you know that there is a caste system hierarchy system and and the people used to fight based on those differences and they used to say that we will going to bring equality in the country and people are unequal right now it’s based on the religion still you know that our country is it’s like a continent so bringing people on one subject it’s very hard but religion is something people will forget everything and they will vote for so it’s very very divided but the opposition is trying to bring people on their issues this employment suppose you have a child or my brother is not getting a job if he is preparing for exams for the five years they are trying to say that there is a unemployment there is a inflation and there is a there is a lot of corruption and all the things but you know that the the the religion factor is more effective than the employment.
Frank Yeah so we live in in a period which is called post factual information so facts are no longer important because something that can be measured that can be evaluated it’s more about emotions it’s more about feelings it’s more about imagery a lot of a lot of content but nothing substantial yeah and and that seems so that would be a problem that you people have in India as well yeah that you are moving towards this post factual are in this post factual era.
Ritesh And Frank if you you will speak with any person who is living in out of India they are in the sense of if any person like most of the person I’m not saying all all of them but most of them are from the people who are from the top of the leader okay anyhow they were in the society and they have a lot of things and their son and daughters they went outside and they will have they they they are not ready to accept that we have problems and this government is doing something better because we are having you so you know that I last when I spoke with you I told you that they are saying that the people in the world have started recognizing us in this government and they are feeling proud of that and but they are not ready to accept that we have problems and those problems are not solved and this proud or suppose someone say that ISRO is working very good and they have they have capability to send the rocket to in the towards Mars or Moon and yeah so this is not a work of one day this is work of 75 years or it at the work then this moment is achieved right if the financial development is happening in India it is not work of one day it is not done in this 10 years and suppose the momentum has gone up but what is the divide of the country and what is the difference you know that 5% people or 10% of people are having more wealth than the bottom 50 or 40% of the people and what government is doing for them you know in India the government current government is taking pride of that they are giving 5 kg of grains to 80 crores means 80 millions of people 80 crores means 8 what you call 80 millions of the people yeah and they are taking a pride and previous government and previous people used to say take pride that we are bringing 40 millions people we have brought them out of poverty line they used to take pride but now they are taking pride of that we are giving 5 kg of grains so these are the things and and there’s a lot of propaganda and it is easy easy here in India that the media is controlled and they are publishing everything suppose one minister will say that same thing is running in all the media channels if the Prime Minister is giving a speech it will be running on all the media channels but if the opposition leaders are giving the speech they are not even the part of the headlines.
Frank It’s so it’s media control it’s it’s manipulation it’s something that we experience all over the world it’s not a pretty picture you mentioned sort of we need to wrap up this but I want to come back to something that you mentioned at the beginning this some of the news that you get comes through Facebook and Twitter or as it’s now called X I prefer Twitter these social media channels in Europe have a pretty negative reputation primarily because of privacy issues that both platforms do not respect privacy they exploit the users to their own ends etc etc what I what I want to throw into this discussion is that it’s a very fine line but everybody is responsible for what they post on these platforms and if they post something you have to expect that it’s going to get used elsewhere so the best way to deal with your privacy issues is to actually not post anything you don’t want public but that’s a different story but how what are the reputations of Facebook and Twitter in India and do you actually like the Chinese have your own internal social media platform which people trust more because they are Indian they are homegrown?
Ritesh Yes so one event the social media is definitely very very bad for us and you get something that you don’t desire and so what the approach should be it should be you don’t have to spend a lot of times and you have to follow our follow to those people who have built a reputation and I will give an example one of the new channel in India we have very less time okay it’s crossed so he was an anchor and he used to have a he used to ask a lot of question to the government what this one of the friend of our government they bought that new channel and obviously that anchor has to resign then this anchor has no avenue he don’t no one hired him he started a new his YouTube and people are satisfied with his the people who used to like his post or his videos or his news now they they have millions of our 10 millions or more than 10 million people in his news YouTube channels he’s earning and he’s giving accurate news in reporting so now what seen and social media what it brought that if you are not getting your avenue suppose media is not talking then you can go in social media and you can post so we have to make sure that we have to take look for those people who are really genuine and gives correct and good information then we have to do a little bit research and if you want to follow and you have to do things because social media is very very helpful when everything is controlled by government then what you can do you can go and have your own opinion somewhere else where this cannot be forced to even in country India government has banned lot of Twitter accounts they have forced Twitter to ban some accounts even the Twitter say that there is no rule or there is no violation of any rules to close that account but they have done because of government said that it should be banned and if you want to work in India you have to ban those accounts see so much pressure on the social media and if this social media is the our own media like our own country’s social media we have some social media which is grown in our own country especially alternative of the Twitter but they will not survive the pressure of the government but the Twitter or X can survive that even they are banning then they are raising that they wrote a article that goes Indian government is saying to ban this post or this account because of they have some issues but there’s no issues from the Twitter or X same thing happening in Brazil also but what you can say there should be something degree of freedom if they are from our own country there will be not have lot of guts to go against the government but there is a privacy issue.
Frank Interesting. Okay, Ritesh, you’ve opened about a hundred trillion can of worms here in this discussion. We could continue for hours but the clock is ticking so I appreciate your viewpoints, your comments, your insights here in this in this episode and maybe next week as a as by way of the teaser you can sort of tell us a little bit about the typical stories that you are currently following that are interesting for you if it’s just cricket then we’ll talk about cricket if it’s other subjects that you are aware of that you are following then it would be really good to hear about this and to give us a different picture a more personal picture of what of what what your India is like and then we can see where we go from there so Ritesh thank you for your time this morning and we’ll continue again next week and thank you Frank for listening and we’ll meet next week no problem.