Inspired by Ismar, here is his opening comment;
HOW CAN THE WORLD BE IN THE YEAR OF 2523?
The journalist João Pereira Coutinho of Folha de São Paulo (Brazil’s largest newspaper) asked readers: “How do you imagine the world in the year 2523?” And added, “that it is a high-risk exercise. The future is incomprehensible, and to talk about 2523 is to believe that the world will exist at that time”.
Frank and I discussed this a little. There were some optimistic and pessimistic estimates. And you, could you give a pleasure to know what you can think for 2523? It is a free exercise of imagination, there are no right or wrong answers, of course.
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Frank Okay, gentlemen, welcome to the Tuesday get together. Today is the, what is it, the 19th of September. We have Igor in LA, Isma in Campo Grande, Ritesh in Bengaluru and Mandar in Kampala. And Sebastian is somewhere in Southern Italy, sunning himself.
So, a couple of things about tonight. So, we are going to dedicate not all of the show, but some of the show to Ismar. He’s got one of these typical Ismar philosophical 101 questions. What do we think the world will be like in 2523?
I’ve given my 10 cents worth to that, and I need to, or we need to have your input. And then we’re going to dedicate sort of like 10 minutes each to what’s been happening in your particular spheres of influence, Igor, if you have any good news or great developments to share with us or the latest scenic sites out of Los Angeles.
Ritesh has just been sort of, before we went on here, told us about navigating traffic in, in, in, and Mandar was sort of leaning back in Kampala thinking, well, you know, I’m really happy that I’m here because I don’t have this sort of, yeah, okay. So that’s the format.
We have 52 minutes before Igor has to go and beat a few people on a, on a, on a mat in his jiu-jitsu club. And so, Ismar, it’s all yours.
Would you like to introduce your thoughts, your questions, the background of what this story is all about? And yeah, so it’s all yours, Ismar. Fire away.
Ismar Okay. Hello people, around the 10 to 14 days, I read a question from a Brazilian journalist, how people think the world will be in 2523. And I’ve written this question on our read the conversation and to now we have four comments. And I’d like to know what you think about this question in some specific areas. And I will direct my question just to organize, but if someone would like to mention something, you can raise your hand and ask to talk something.
Frank Just, just to interrupt you, Isma, you have two marketing people here who love to talk. So, you need to, you need to curb their enthusiasm
Mandar to talk a lot.
Frank Sorry to interrupt you, Isma.
Ismar I’m 62 and I started reading when I was eight, I would say that I know how to write and read for about 50 years and something. And in the last 50 years, the world changed a lot and imagine it 10 times more. In 500 ahead, how our world can be.
For example, today we have much industrialized foods. When I was a kid, every family prepared their food at home, but it’s not what happened today. And you, Mandar, would you like to guess how foods can be in 500 years ahead?
Mandar Maybe we will eat just one pill, that’s it, you know, a pill for a breakfast, a pill for a lunch, a pill for a dinner, maybe.
Ismar And Igor, would you like to say something?
Igor I agree with Mandar. I think the trend should be very like a kind of nutrition that is very quick and cheap and that pill sounds like the way we are going. I think like cooking will be a very hobbies stuff. Like only people who, it’s like painting today, you know, like people will cook as people paint today. Like just, just artists expression.
Ismar And you Ritesh.
Ritesh: So I think the same thing and see, today also, if you talk to some people who are doing bodybuilding and everything, they say that we are eating just, we are eating more than what we need. Suppose in the future, the technology is developed such a way that it can measure what is our need for a day and when it is required, suppose it’s like a battery. If there is a hundred percent you’re required, 50% you’re required to take it and just leave it. So, yeah, I agree with Mandar what he said, it’s, it will be a small pill or sometimes liquid.
So there, there is no concept of the feeling we are getting from the food, the taste of the Indian light taste. So the, the main objective of the food is to get energy. So suppose we are getting energy from any source, which does not give any taste when it is fine for us, maybe our future generation will like such a, such food.
Same like, if you think about the songs, the old songs and the songs right now we have. So old songs has feelings, melody, but now people need something else. They need pop, pop music, which don’t have feelings, they give some other kind of feel.
So same thing in future, the taste of food may differ or there’s no need of taste because it is the requirement for energy and it gives one pill insufficient.
Ismar I told Frank that the majority of our food will be in form of pills, but of course we won’t be able to eat only pills if not our organs will become a functional, I don’t know if this word exists and we will have a health problem. And Frank, would you like to say about something?
Frank The thought scares me. As you, as everybody knows, I live in France and we love food in this country. For us it’s, even if I’m not French, for us it’s the most important thing. And for that reason, one side of me says there is a certain logic of what you, what everybody is thinking that we will have pills to eat.
And for me, the consequence of that is that we will develop into a species that are basically there to work and to produce something and not necessarily replicate our species and produce other human beings in a traditional way, but that we will become a scientific engineered robotic creature.
That’s the picture that I read out of these answers, one that I cannot identify with and certainly one that I don’t want to experience in 500 years should I be on this planet at that point of time in some form of afterlife, if it exists.
So know for me Igor, I love my food.
Igor: Yeah, that’s a very good question because that’s very difficult to answer because I’m thinking here like in 500 years, we might see a surplus of food because the population is decreasing.
And then like companies and governments, they will push us to eat more food because the economy is our God nowadays. And unless it’s changed, like the government and the companies will want people to consume more food.
And yeah, so maybe not, maybe we will, like, we won’t eat pills because it won’t be good for the economy, and we will keep eating food.
Maybe. Yeah, who knows?
We did something very like, I don’t know if you guys know this story, but United States since the 20s of the last century, the milk consumption is decreasing. And the government, they have a lot of lobbies of the dairy industry, like trying to push milk into the daily lives of people.
So everything here has a lot of milk, cheese, yogurt, and things like that because like the lobbies don’t let the consumptions go down. Maybe that’s what’s going to happen with regular food.
Ismar And in my opinion, the food like vegetables, meat and anything else will be inside the pills. They use food to transform into pills and just in case of people have to have more time to work or maybe they don’t have the proper place to have lunch, then they ingest pills because it would be more practical, but I would say that, okay, please.
Igor No, I just say that it makes sense.
Ismar I would say that around 30 years ago, I asked me one day, the market will charge for water and it doesn’t pass a long way and we had water on the market. And my question is about water because today I would say that every water resource on the world is contaminated. And how do you think that the water would be in 2523? Anyone can ask and comment about.
Mandar Actually about water, I think the future is already here because I somewhere read or somewhere saw the video of water is now actually coming in a size of a pill. So you remove the wrapper, you eat that and that’s it. It is already there. I think in US or in some country, the research is already going on. And I saw that in some video that it will come as a chocolate, like a pill or a small like in a wrapper, it’s a wrapped pill and when you eat it, you already have enough water. So the future is already here.
Igor Yeah, I think it’s just a matter of time because it happened with a lot of stuff, right? It happened, I think, not food but land a long time ago was very accessible for everyone. Like my girlfriend’s great-grandfather, he got in Santa Catarina, which is a state in the south of Brazil and he just put fences and he had land, right? Now it’s very hard, almost impossible to have a land. And then I think with water will be very similar. Like if you don’t own the way, like the fountains, the way to produce water, you have to buy and that’s it, there’s no option. It’s like everything else. Once the resource becomes scarce, a lot of people will just be left off the equation.
Igor Any comment, Ritesh?
Ritesh Yeah, so I have some different view on this. See, we have a lot of water on earth, okay? The difference is like fresh water and the sea water we have. So we need a mechanism to convert sea water in a fresh water or drinkable. So what we need is lot of energy to convert sea water in a fresh water. So the government is generally not spending a lot of money because every government has different priority.
So if you see in India, we are getting fresh water from Himalayas and the groundwater is going down. So suppose government is spending a lot of money on research, so that efficient desalination process is developed, there is no problem with water.
But some country, they don’t have water resources. So, they face problem, but it can be solved very easily. And I don’t think so we have to worry about the water problem. Because see, look at the technology, how it is getting developed. So, if the way the country developing missiles, or they are developing different kinds of vehicle, war equipment, the same if they spend 5% of their energy on the solving this water crisis, that can be solved within a year, but sufficient amount sufficient fund is not given to the research, we have technology to convert sea water into fresh water.
And that technology is required a lot of energy, the energy is not available in India or any other country. So, suppose they are using nuclear energy to get energy, nuclear fuel, so it can be done.
So yeah, this is my view. And I was reading a lot about this process. Because if you see Israel, how they have developed or see Saudi Arabia, they are converting their seawater into the fresh water and then supplying to their citizens. So similarly, every place like see what we have a lot of water, they’re not 75% of earth is filled with water. Just we need our technology to convert it and focus. Because government or country is not focusing on that.
Frank If I can just interrupt that that train of thought for a minute on a on a hugely practical question. Ritesh, and maybe also Mandar, because you live in different company or countries.
Your water Ritesh, do you drink tap water; or do you drink bottled water? Okay, so in Bangalore, we have tap water and but we are drinking bottled water.
Ritesh Okay, what they generally do they have a what in vertical, the water cleaner, or we call it
Frank pure water purifier,
Ritesh purifier. So they are using the tap water and purifying and then we’re using it. But people here in Bangalore they buy also, we get 20 liters of water every you can order, and they will send you to your home.
Frank And how much even if you just say it in rupees, how much would a 20-litre container of water cost in rupees I can convert it to something else later?
Ritesh See, like half dollar 50 rupees in Bangalore. Yeah, so they will deliver at your doorstep.
Igor like 20 Liters, 20 liters, half dollar, wow, that’s cheap.
Ritesh 50 to 70 rupees. Suppose you are living on fourth floor, so the person has to carry on the fourth floor.
Frank You get fitness training built into it free of charge. Okay, Mandar, what about you tap water or drink bottled water?
Mandar Well, actually, in Uganda, people drink tap water, they boil, and then they boil the tap water and they drink. I think expats are, they buy the distilled water, because there are so many companies which sells distilled water, and 20 litres is around $2.
Frank Wow, okay.
Mandar So, yeah, that is how the situation is. Where the locals are drinking tap water, they boil it and they drink it.
Frank So, Isma, in answer to your question, I would actually share Ritesh’s view. If you look in the Middle Eastern countries, there is a lot of desalination work going on to recycle water, I know it’s not the correct expression, and to make seawater drinkable, even though it is actually quite, I think it has a high alkaline content or it’s not that pleasant to drink as normal water, but I suppose for survival purposes, it’s okay.
But Ismar, I’ve been also hearing just a little bit further south of Brazil that Montevideo in Uruguay has had a severe drought for many years, and the city has actually literally run out of drinking water. There is nothing left, and they have to import water from other parts of the country, and they have also actually said that slightly modified seawater is safe to drink.
So tying on with what Ritesh said, we need to sort of balance climate change and resource management and how we manage water reserves and make sure that there is enough of the stuff available for everybody.
And then of course, if you go into Africa, maybe Mandar at some point later in a future show, you can sort of explain, there are regions which are very dry, there’s a high drought situation, of course, these people need water, we cannot live without the stuff, we can live without food longer than we can live without water. So that’s the situation, but I would side with Ritesh that the technology is there, it can be developed, and if we manage the resources, we should be able to get through this situation.
Mandar One interesting thing I found when we compare the prices of 20 litre, let’s say in India it is half dollar, here it is two dollar, Uganda is actually, it’s near to the Victoria Lake, rather it is on the shore of the Victoria Lake, which is one of the biggest and in the world, it is second after Titicaca Lake, but even after having so much reservoir of the water, because of the infrastructure problems, the water is full time expensive than in India.
So it’s wonderful to compare, and it’s painful to pay that much money.
Frank I mean, we drink, the tap water that I have here is absolutely wonderful, perfectly safe to drink, not a problem.
And I’m pushed to actually tell you how much bottled water would cost, and of course in Europe things are much more expensive, just out of the principle for it. But if I went to a discount supermarket, so one that they sort of really cut the prices down, I would expect to pay depending on the brand, and this is where the other thing comes in of course in France, we have Evian and Perrier, all these internationally well-known brands.
The content is exactly the same, it’s just the label is different. I would expect to pay anywhere between 40 cents for one and a half litres to maybe a €1.50, depending on the brand for one and a half litres, so one dollar 50, roughly it’s usually one to one now, for one and a half litres, so you know, Ritesh, you have the cheapest water in the community.You could open a business and sell water to us.
Ritesh People in Bangalore, they have business, they are only having business of supplying water to people. But here in India, also we have different kinds of brand, they have high prices also, but I’m talking about the people at home, they are doing, suppose you are going traveling. somewhere, you need water, you buy a bottle, so it costs one Liter cost 20 rupees, okay, and if you are traveling in Indian railway, so Indian railway is providing one liter water on 50 rupees, 15 rupees, so that depends because they have to cover their packaging, bottle cost and everything, and the person who is selling, they are giving some commission or if they are selling on 15 rupees, three rupees or two rupees goes to that person.
So I’m talking, see, these 20 liters bottle is nothing but a person, they have water purifier at home, which is certified by the government, and they are converting normal water or the tap water into purify, and then they are supplying to your home. So in that case, it is cheaper, we can do at home.
One more thing, I saw on video on YouTube or somewhere, they are saying that tap water is better than the packaged water, because tap water is the control by government, they have authority, they always check the pH level in the water, and they supply to you, and the same water like packaged water, which is done by some private people, and they have different kind of mechanism to pack and everything.
There can be some, what you call contamination in the water also. So if you are drinking tap water, it is better than the drinking packaged or bottled water.
Frank Yeah, that’s what they say here as well. I suppose it’s the same anywhere on this planet.
Igor Have you guys heard of Liquid Death? It’s a brand, like a water brand.
Frank Welcome to the United States.
Igor Liquid Death, that’s very fun, like if you guys can search on Google, like Liquid Death, it’s a water brand, and they charge, it’s very expensive, but the interesting thing is that the can seems like beer, but it’s not beer, it’s water. So people just walk around holding the can, and it’s like a status sign, you know.
Mandar Flavoured water, maybe, flavoured water, I think.
Igor They have flavoured water, but like the first product, the one that got popular, like it’s just plain water, but they have a very beautiful can, you know, so people like just like to walk around, especially teenagers, it’s like a teenager stuff, you know, they like to walk around if they can, and so everyone can see they are drinking water.
Ismar Okay, guys, we are here as human beings for thousands and thousands of years, and we destroyed almost everything in this planet. Our soil is contaminated, our food is contaminated, water, and the air. Everything here is contaminated. Maybe it’s why many of us suffer of cancer and many other diseases. As we destroyed Earth, how about to go to another planet, live there, and destroy them again? What do you think about? Or you can say just about special tourism. What do you think that will do? Will you go to the other planets just for tourism or to destroy them?
Igor Very optimistic.
Retish Yeah, so I think that will be our dream. We are not going to other planets in our life, maybe end of my life after 50, 60 years, there might be a chance, but people will not carry us because we don’t have any value. We will not provide any value to the society where they are building. After 60 years, you can’t work, you will be in liability for them. So there will be no chance for us, maybe our future generation can travel to some different planet.
But look at the Earth. See as a human being, if you see our development, so it’s hardly 20,000 years. We have been to the Earth. Apart from that, the development before that, we can’t say that we have destroyed, maybe we have stabilized the planet, Earth, and we are developing.
In other way, we can say that this is a process, natural process. If you are developing something, it gets created, new thing gets created, created. So maybe 100 years before we can’t think about other planets, now we can think about migrating to other planets.
We can bring life to other planets, or maybe case that there may be a case that people on the other side of our universe, they are also human beings.
They are also living life like us. Because we are just, if you believe in evolution, we are just developing. Think about our chimpanzees, we have little our DNA is very small difference in chimpanzee than human beings.
So we have suppose the next generation, they will have more intelligence, they can reverse this whatever whatever we are doing right now. So, we are not destroying in my opinion, we are building, and we are building the civilization and that can be better for the future generation of human beings.
Igor Yeah, and I think the main motivation to move to another planet is not exactly to explore, although we gonna explore for sure. But it’s like a backup for human beings like our species because Earth is very, we feel like we control Earth, but like Earth, like if all human beings disappear, I was reading that like years ago when the COVID stuff was being talked about.
And like if all human beings appears like in three years, the Earth will come back to balance. That’s what I read at least. So I don’t think we are destroying that much. I think we are like surely influencing, but especially for human beings. I think for the other species, like most of the things are fine and going to another planet, it’s more like a backup for human species than actually exploring it because we could explore without going there, like we have a technology to just go with robots.
Like nowadays, I think there are four robots on Mars like exploring, so we wouldn’t need to go there. And I want to tell a story, a very interesting story that happened last weekend.
So last Thursday, I was walking with my girlfriend here on the neighborhood and we saw something on the sky and it was like going up. We couldn’t see what it was, but it was going up very fast with a white trace behind it. And we thought, we have no idea what it is.
And then we just kept living our lives. And last Sunday, we went to a lunch organized by one of my girlfriend’s teachers and her boyfriend was talking that he works in like with satellites and last week he was responsible for launching a satellite from Los Angeles.
And then I asked, oh, was it something like, and I described it to him, and he said, oh, that’s exactly it. That was a satellite we were launching. And then I asked, oh, and do you have a company, or do you work for a company? And he said, oh, I work for a company. And I said, which company? And who will guess which company he works for?
Retish SpaceX.
Mandar SpaceX.
Igor Yeah. He doesn’t only work for SpaceX, he’s a chief of engineering of SpaceX. That’s quite an accomplishment. Of course, I just grabbed him and talked to him about SpaceX exploration. But just a side note, how Los Angeles is crazy. Like when you see having lunch with the chief of engineering of SpaceX.
And the day before, yeah, I think it was yesterday, yes, yesterday night, I was coming back from And I saw another thing going up very fast on the sky. So it seems like they’re launching a lot of satellites from Los Angeles area.
Frank So did you text him and say, have you been at work again?
Igor I wish that if I had the number, sure, I would. But I thought it would be very intrusive to ask his contact number.
Frank Oh, for God’s sake, no. Oh, no.
Igor Yeah. He was afraid to talk about certain things, you know, like because I asked, oh, what’s the satellite for? And he said, oh, he kind of just went around not to answer my question. So there are a lot of confidentiality. And I’m sure like he wouldn’t give his number. He would give like a fake number or a number that he will never answer. They might have like a policy.
Retish Maybe you can connect on LinkedIn to him because every professional they have LinkedIn account.
Igor So I didn’t find him on LinkedIn. I found him on many places on the internet, but not on LinkedIn. But I keep searching.
Ritesh SpaceX is doing what you call experiment on a Starship because they want to see they want to go to the Mars. So they are developing. So there’s a lot of experiment is going on. If you see in the world, we are having a space race once again. See recently, India landed on moon and China, they are trying Russia failed failed attempt, but they have a lot of experience. One failed attempt is nothing. And USA, they have their plan to send permanent, like create a permanent base on moon. Because every country they want to get resources from the moon, there’s a lot of valuable materials or minerals on the moon.
So they want because suppose one country goes and they will say that no one come to no one should have access to the moon. So everyone is doing their best. And India also have plants, a lot of plants, we are trying to send our own people in the space.
So it’s like going on. Because China, they have a lot of plants, they are developing their fastest growing in everything. So if you want to compete, then you have to collaborate and start because suppose power is in one’s one people hand, they can he can intimidate you, he can force you.
So that’s why you should have some power so that someone, some other country cannot force you in a certain way. And they are our neighbours. So we are more worried about their development, because you want to grow like them. And we don’t want our neighbour to be as strong than us. At least as strong as us.
Frank Ritesh, in my opinion, you hit the nail on the head. And it’s the second time that you have alluded to the competition between China and India. It brings in a completely new dimension into global thinking, at least over here in Europe. I just want to say that where did all this space scenario start. So, in 1950 x, the Russians sent up a satellite, Sputnik, and that shook the Americans into a shook them out of their stupor and John F. Kennedy said that he would like to see that by the end of the decade, so by the end of the 1960s, there should be a man on the moon.
The motivation was purely political, and it continued, and that we managed to then have a fallout on industrial products and development was just a byproduct. And we sort of learned to live with that and appreciate that.
Then you have the scientific community who would then like to sort of explore these new frontiers and push them back. But I would venture out to say that the thinking that we will live on other planets because we want to build a second base or have a plan B, I think I can’t really agree with that. I think it is a race between powers. So, you sort of alluded to. The current Indian government is very, shall we say, pragmatic in pushing forward India to making it a global power.
And it’s interesting that the landing of the rockets on the moon coincided pretty much with the G20 summit in Delhi and that China is flexing its muscles is okay. That’s part and parcel of it. And then we have NASA and SpaceX, and that brings in even a second dimension into it that we are now focusing on individuals who want to enjoy the power of doing this. It’s not because they are good people and that they want to do something for humanity. I think it’s just they can. They want to do it because they can and because they have the resources to do it. And I think you’ve got to look that fairly clearly in the eye.
And even if you look at the first tourist flights, you had Jeff Bezos, Richard Branson, and Elon Musk, I think, who I don’t know if he did it at the end. But it was a race between powerful, rich individuals. They wanted to, for the sake of eternity, put their names in the history books and say that Richard Branson was or Jeff Bezos was the first person who organized a tourist flight from. And it was only just to the top, to the Earth’s outer surface. And then they were there for 10 seconds and they came down. The whole thing is over for over in 10 minutes and you pay a quarter of a million dollars for it.
And on the other side, we have in Strasbourg, 60 kilometres south of here, a very small space university. And I once spoke to some people who said they would love to go to Mars and colonize Mars, knowing full well it’s a one-way ticket. The technology exists to get there. The technology does not exist to come back. So, it would be a one-way ticket. And they would just love to go there because, A, it’s a kick and B, they are so disillusioned with planet Earth.
But I think that there is a generational shift that the young generation are beginning to understand that it’s probably easier and cheaper to save what we have. And it is, it can be saved. It won’t be as it was. But I don’t think that we’re going to go up in smoke and flames and that the thinking is there that that’s save what we have.
And if there’s a handful of people who want to shoot something into the into this universe and let them do that, and if we get a bit of technological fallout, fine, not a problem. And to take a more in this front, a more pessimistic view, you know, that is purely power, nothing more.
Ismar, you have another 13 minutes, minus a few minutes for everybody just to get the highlight of the week off their chest, because I don’t know if Igor’s got something to share and Ritish and Mandar have something to share. One more question.
Mandar I just love to share one thing while we were on that space and, you know, going on another planet. In my planet, actually, we are still not on the other planet. We are not even having a stable electricity. So that is planet Africa. I just wanted to share one trivia, you know, it’s a disturbance, you know, because the power company called Umeume from South Africa is finishing their contract this year in Uganda, and they are not giving a damn.
So continuously power is coming and then sometimes it goes for a few days. That is in that planet currently we are living in. Anyway, so I was sharing one small trivia, and it is a very interesting trivia.
When USA and Russia was doing a competition to send their first spacecraft to the moon, there was one more country, you know, who are competing with them. And that country is nothing but Zambia. So you just search on Google, and then you will understand, you know, how interesting that program was, which one person, one scientist in Zambia tried. Unfortunately, he was not successful. But I mean, there is a video on YouTube, and you can always search about it.
Frank Okay, we have our homework. Thank you. Ismar.
Ismar As the timing is running out, I will ask my last question. I read that the population, the world will stabilize in 10 billion in 1950 and 2050, in around 20 years, 30 years. I don’t believe that. My question is, how would our population be? How would the relationship among people would be, and what would we have more, richness or wealth? Then we have three items to discuss.
Frank Wealth or poverty is richness, so poverty or wealth, yeah, that’s what you were looking at.
Ismar Well, Ritesh, you can start, please.
Ritesh Yeah. So just connecting with your first question with second, I read a book called Sapiens and Homo Deus, one of Israeli historian and teacher, university teacher, he has written. So he shows like how human progressed, human from the species to the, as a homodios, humankind. And then we have become a God, like human God. And in future, right now, our phone is a different device.
Maybe in future, the phone will be part of our body, maybe we are not, we will not be like human beings, our cyborg, we call it human plus artificial limbs. Suppose there is a chip plant planted in your skull, that will give more memory, what memory we have right now. So in the 50 years or 70 years, after 50 or 70 years, maybe we will be living 150 years. So our relationship, the way we are having conversation with our child or our wife will change.
I saw one video on YouTube, maybe we will first few years we will study, then we will have children with one wife. Then after 50 or 60 years, we will have different partners, and our relationship will change.
Look at the relationship between boy and girl at college level. And when they get married, one person having a wife, the relationships get changed. The small things we remember in our young age, that can be different than the living together with 60 years or 50 years.
So everything will change, in my opinion, and influenced by that book. I say that we will live 150 years, our relationship, how we study, how we talk about the different technology will change.
Right now, whatever I studied in college, everything got changed within five to six years. Suppose you are living 100 years or 150 years, the knowledge and everything will change. So in my opinion, our life will be completely different. And we have to imagine our life in a way that can fulfill the living that much longer period.
I hope so I covered the second part also in that little bit I got mixed, but I’m trying to say that, see, we are going to live longer. Maybe right now we are living 100 years, maybe within 50 years, our life expectancy will change to 150 years.
And our relationship with our children, our wife, or our community will change. And even what we study, because knowledge is going to change drastically within five years, 10 years.
So we have to go after 50 years, we have to go to university once again, to study new things.
Frank Igor, two minutes. I think I covered all of that. So I, well, I think that the human relations, they will become much more swallow, like it’s happening now and I think it won’t get better for the simple fact that the only reason we humans, we value interactions with another human beings is because like we needed that to survive.
So it’s in our DNA. But with technology and everything that’s going on, we don’t need it anymore. So there is no reason to relate to my neighbor because I don’t need my neighbor. I don’t need my neighbor to feel safe. I don’t need my neighbor to get food. So since we will not need those relations, we will simply stop evaluating them, which is sad, but I think that’s going to happen.
But still we’re going to have our close relations with our family, like wife, kids, et cetera. So I think it’s already happening and it will just get worse in 50 years. How are we going to do with that? I don’t know.
I think we might learn that we need to value interactions even when we don’t need them. So we kind of remove the utility aspect of human interactions. How are we going to find ways to satisfy this need for interactions without needing to relate to other human beings, which means AI, cyborgs, et cetera.
So that’s a sad future, but I don’t have evidence to think otherwise.
Frank Mandar, two minutes.
Mandar What I will say is, you know, what we are thinking about the future. I read in one of the book that future is already here. You know, I mean, the concept is not like that future will come someday, but if we see around the world, somewhere future has already come. So the relationship which Ritesh and Igor is talking about, maybe like in Europe and US, I don’t think so now they require the relationship. Maybe the kids are, number of kids are getting less. In fact, you know, like they are not even ready to give birth to kids, but sorry, you know, in Uganda, the average number of kids are six for every couple.
And then as Ritesh was saying that in childhood, we were different, when we are a young couple, we were different, after marriage, we become different. In Uganda, the things are totally different. In childhood, they have different partners. In college, they have different partners, after marriage, they have different partners. And you know, like, there are a lot of changes happening in different ways, you know, so maybe I think one man have, I think, five or six women in his life.
So in that way, the things are changing. Okay, in order to answer Isma’s question, what I strongly believe is how much we change, we remain same. So even if the technology changes, the greed, human greed is never going to change. Earlier 20% people owning 80% wealth, as per the Pareto’s law, slowly, slowly 10% people are holding 80% wealth and now it is even going to extreme.
So basically, technology’s benefit is going to only few people. And even after 50 years, only few people must be having 80 or 90% of wealth. And secondly, about population, what he was asking, again, you know, for some part of work, maybe the population is already getting control, but not in Africa. So we will be pushing off and we will be increasing the population of the world. That’s it from my side.
Frank Okay, Isma, just one caveat from my side. I remember in the 1970s watching films, not videos, films that by the year 2000, we would be out of oil. It hasn’t happened.
So I think we might have an expectation, we might have an idea and it’ll be totally different. And as you said in your post, Isma, there is no right or wrong answer, but certainly
Thank you, Isma, for providing us with a really lively discussion and a really good discussion that we can sort of reflect on it. The majority of these people that are around with us will see it more than you and I will. And all I can say is, I hope that you won’t criticize us too much for what we are handing over to the next generation because we’ve only done our best from what we cannot do. That’s what my mother-in-law says.
So, gentlemen, we will see each other at the usual times over the next couple of days. Very quickly, Igor, do we have a positive response to your latest venture or are we still waiting?
Igor Still waiting.
Frank Still waiting. Mandar and Ritesh, today is an important day in the religious calendar of India. Maybe you two can post something about that on the conversations and explain us a bit about that. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Isma, brilliant idea, brilliant topic, well handled. Thank you very much for that. And with that, gentlemen, see you all next week. Have a great time. Thank you.
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