In this episode of the Tuesday Get Together, Maxime joins Sebastian, Igor and Ismar. We discuss sports and how it has changed, and then the conversation moves to the latest news in Maxime’s plane project. You can read the transcript below. This Get Together was recorded on February 14, 2022.
Frank Maxime, I think you’re the new kid in the block here, you can maybe introduce yourself to the rest. I mean, you’ve met most of us here, we’ve written to each other, but this is the first time some of you will meet in person and hear you speak. So talk about what you want to talk about, introduce yourself a little bit. And then the others, you have to engage in the conversation, but don’t let Maxime dominate. I don’t want to hear about his aerplane for 60 minutes, it’s not that exciting.
Well, just introduce yourself and spend two minutes speaking about the project and then maybe gently what you can do is direct question to one of the others.
Maxime And I’m Maxime, I’m 19 years old. I leave my parents to go to Laval to study the engineering. So now I’m at the engineering school ESTACA, which is a school specialized in transportation, like automobile, aerodynamics, Aerospatiale and trains. And so I am now on the first year, I do some mathematics and physics for the moment. Like preparatory class, but directly in the engineering school. And after that, I do some gymnastics, a lot of sport. And that’s all what I do for the moment.
Igor Do you practice gymnastics, or do you have a goal like you want to go to some competition or just for a healthy purpose?
Maxime So this year is a little bit special because during the years, I have a lot of competitions, eight per year, four individual and four in teams. But this year I don’t have so many time to train myself. So, I have finished the individual competition and I just have two competitions with my team, the cardre of France and the French championship.
Frank We have to actually say that last year you were quite high, you achieved quite a high goal. Can you tell us where you landed in your gymnastics competitions?
Maxime Last year I was the vice championship of France in individual. So, I had trained myself a long time for that. And so my goal was to have a medal in the French championship. So now I have one. But this year I cannot have too much training.
Igor What’s the hardest trick you are able to do?
Maxime What’s the question?
Igor What’s the hardest trick, movement you are able to do?
Maxime I think triple back.
Igor Triple back? Oh my God. Wow.
Maxime I think that’s the biggest move I do.
Igor Wow.
Ismar Is your style gymnastic at…Sorry, Maxime, is your style gymnastic at the on the ground?
Maxime Yes. So the four agrees. The floor, the pommel horse, rings, vault, parallel bar and height bar.
Ismar Everything?
Maxime Yes. Everything.
Igor And like, are you able to do the triple backflip on the ground?
Maxime Not on the ground, but on the height bar.
Igor Wow.
Maxime That’s easier on the height bar, on the floor.
Igor I think it’s amazing. Gymnastics in general, as I told you, I use it to practice parkour. And we did a lot of flips. I can do like backflip, sideflip, frontflip. But a few people were able to do a double flip. And now I see like kids with 12 years old doing double backflips on asphalt. Things are advancing very fast.
Frank So Maxime, the ball is in your court, throw it to somebody else with a question.
Maxime I need to ask a question.
Frank Yes. To keep the conversation going.
Maxime Okay. Sebastian, you don’t speak a lot.
Sebastian So I’m just listening.
Maxime But do you do a sport?
Sebastian Yes, I did a lot of sport. Not over the last five years, but before I ride a lot of bicycles, racing bikes and mountain bikes, for example. And I was a lot in the forest and spent a lot of time on my bike. For example, eight hours of a tour or I did a mountain passing. Is that correct?
Frank I’m going through a mountain pass.
Sebastian We passed the Alps from a town in Germany, Garmisch-Partenkirchen. Everybody knows Garmisch-Partenkirchen, right?
Frank No.
Igor I don’t.
Sebastian So it’s in Bavaria. And then we, I don’t know, seven days to ride or to cycle to the Gattas in Italy. That was something I did in the past. And yeah, we were in bike parks in France, also in France. And did a lot of crazy stuff. So but I survived the jump on the, you know, on the, what is the name, air cushions,
Frank air cushions.
Sebastian Yeah, for example, and did all this crazy stuff. What do you, what do you are able to do when you are over setting? So you have to be really careful, but when you, and this is the same, you see the young guys are just jumping, I don’t know, seven or eight meters above a table. And you just jump the small things, just two, three, four meters. And you see the guys and they are just, go for it.
Igor It’s like, I think the reason things are advancing very fast is because of YouTube, because someone posts a video doing something difficult and how the world now wants to do something more difficult. In the parkour, there is a very popular gap in Paris, which is the name is like manpower gap, it’s a building called the manpowe. And it’s a very popular jump. And at my times, like in 2008, it was very rare, someone doing this jump. And now like 15 years later, people are doing like front flipping, front flipping this jump, you know, like people usually to run and jump now people are running, doing a front flip. Like, I don’t know what the people will do next. It’s crazy. I have a question for everyone. So, what sports or practice in general haven’t you done yet, but you’d like to do in your life? Do you want to start Maxime?
Maxime I don’t know.
Ismar I have no idea because something I would like to do, but it’s a little dangerous. For example, I’d like to learn how to surf, but I’m so scared of sharks. And I think maybe I won’t try it.
Igor You can go to those. Now we have artificial wave parks, you know, you can go to those ones and surf.
Sebastian There’s no talk. Have you ever tried?
Igor Go surfing?
Sebastian Yeah.
Igor Yes. Yes. I use it to surf a lot five years ago because I lived in an island in Brazil called Florianopolis a big island and I did a lot of surfing, but I don’t know. I like to surf, but I get bored very fast. So I go to the ocean. If there’s no waves for 15 minutes, I want to go back. I have friends that will stay all morning long waiting for waves, but I don’t have this kind of patience.
Sebastian So how long does it take that you were able to stand on the board and to ride the first waves? How long does it take? How many days? Two? Three?
Igor Well, I think depending of course on your experience, like I used to skateboard when I was a major. So for me, it’s easier like in the second day you are able to stand on the board, but to you’ll be able to ride the wave, I would say even for me who had experience with skateboarding is like if you do every day, you’ll be able to ride the wave, you know? But it’s very hard. Surfing is very hard.
Sebastian Yeah. I think it’s similar to snowboarding. When you wear a skater, as a young boy, it’s much more easier to stand on the snowboard for example.
Igor Yeah. Probably.
Ismar Igor, could I say that you don’t like fishing? You aren’t a patient to wait for the waves, then I’m saying, could I say that you don’t like fishing?
Igor Well, it depends because I had an uncle where I was born in other states here in Brazil that he likes to fish and when I go to visit my dad, I always go fishing with his uncle, but we go fishing as an excuse to talk and drink beer, you know? So sometimes we just go with the fishing route, we forget about the fish, we forget about everything and just talk and drink beer.
Sebastian I think this is for most of the guys to excuse when they go there.
Igor Yes. It’s just an excuse to go alone, you know?
Ismar But Maxime, say something about your project, maybe you don’t have much time and if you don’t say, you want to know something about your project, please.
Maxime Okay, so you don’t know about that. Okay, so my project is to re-engines a plane, a thermic plane into an electric one. So the goal is to take the motor, the engine, take off and replace by an electric motor. So for that we need to input some batteries and just to maybe change some part of the plane, inside the plane, so take off places or so see who intake batteries because we need to, how can I say, if you have all the weight in the front of the plane, it’s really complicated so we need to see who intake batteries and motor, etc. So that’s the project.
Igor So from an engineering perspective, what’s the most difficult part in your opinion?
Maxime About the engineering part of the project?
Igor Yes. The engineering.
Maxime It’s difficult. All part is difficult. You mentioned the motor, the batteries, the electric part was complicated because at, in the air, so the temperature is totally different, and we maybe need to upgrade the temperature of the batteries and I think that’s difficult.
Ismar At least in Brazil, the electric cars are not only electrical, as far as I know, but they are hybrid. And about planning, is it necessary to be a hybrid planning because if the battery doesn’t work well, you have an alternative for passenger safety, is it necessary to be or is it only be possible to have an exclusive electrical plane?
Maxime Here the goal is really to have some batteries, just not one and so maybe four or five batteries and if one of them doesn’t work, the other batteries can, is to safety to arrive and so that’s for the safety.
Ismar And I suppose that electric cars are not so effective as, for example, a petrol car. And about the plane, would it be so effective like, I don’t know how to say in English, maybe kerosene or gasoline, yeah?
Maxime But now, for example, a plane can, so it’s a little plane, a plane can fly for maybe five or six hours and with batteries and motor, we want to have an hour and a half or two hours of flight. That reduce the autonomy three times.
Ismar I suppose that your project would be for a small plane, maybe for two or three passengers and if the project would be successful, how long do you imagine that is it possible to, for example, to have a jet plane for 300 passengers? Do you think maybe in five more years, it’s just a guessing, I know, yeah? But just to discuss here.
Maxime I have checked some projects from Airbus and Dassault and Safran and he had this project for, I think, 10 or 15 years. So to have a jet with, I think, 25 or 30 percent.
Sebastian But when you rebuild a big jet, you need hydrogen, right, not a battery, that’s not possible to…
Maxime No, he work, they work with batteries because NASA work on new batteries, reduce, I think, two and a half times the weight of the battery. So for the battery, we spoke with, we speak with the density of the battery, which is an energy per kilogram and for the moment we have 150 or 200 watt hour per kilogram and NASA work on new batteries that delivers probably 500 watt hour per kilogram. So that is two and a half times more than what we have for the moment and the NASA developed this battery, especially for aeronautics and aerospace. So Airbus want to take this battery for their project.
Ismar I’ll make many questions at the same time, then you have enough time to speak a lot. You are in the first year, is everything from the project, from the first year of your faculty and is your supervisor the teacher that didn’t want to go to work at NASA or another one?
Maxime No, so for the moment, so we don’t have a supervisor. We don’t have a teacher supervise the project, but we can ask for help and, but my teacher who work on NASA five or six years ago doesn’t work on the project. So we don’t ask his help because his specialization is not really interesting for us.
Ismar What’s the budget and what’s the reason of your budget?
Maxime So the budget, so we need to have 200,000 € for all parts, the plane, the batteries, the motor, et cetera, all of the parts. And for that, we asked some company to have material, money, engineering help, and all of the budget comes from different company. And a little part from the school.
Sebastian Just a really small part.
Maxime Really small part. Maybe there is a little part of the school, but you know, I developed the project in an association and the school we have, I think 20 or 25 association and each one has different project, so two or three project and one of them was the bigger. And so each association can ask 10,000 per year, but any association have 10,000 per year. I think just one of them have the 10,000, but it’s not common. But if the association have, I don’t know, 7,000, they need to devise the money on the different projects. So we can have 3,000 per year by the school.
Ismar According to what I read in our community, are you so sure that your project will be successful? But if you are only students from the first year of engineering faculty, how much science, how much you know to work and make you all sure that the project will be successful?
Maxime It’s not a problem because for the moment we are five in the first year, but we are going to talk about the project to different students in second, third and fourth years. And so some people can work on the project and my project is an associative project and all associations who have project devide his big project in a little one and propose to the school to have four or five students who work on the little projects for the biggest. So it’s a little difficult to understand, but each year, so the second year, the third year and the fourth year need to have a project in his years. So all people in aeronautics need to have a project in aeronautics. Each one in automobile need to have a project in automobiles, et cetera. And so there are some projects in association and students who need to have his project in school do a little part of the big project in association. And that’s according to association and school. So second year, third years and fourth years do some projects in my project. So for next year, we need to do the really dimension, yes, dimensioning of the batteries and electric motor. And that can be a little project for four or five students in third years.
Sebastian How do you ensure that you are, for example, not making some stupid mistakes with the battery, for example? Do you have help how to handle everything and get an introduction or how do you, yeah, because it’s a matter of safety, you know?
Maxime Yes, it’s a big safety problem, but the four or five years who did the dimensioning of motor and batteries have the help of a teacher. So some teachers can help us to do that. And another part is the help for the company. So we spoke about the help of students, but we are going to ask some help for different companies who help us for money and materials. And yes, they can give us some logical er software and can check what we do.
Sebastian It is not only the software, it’s also how to handle everything, you know, when you, I think you know that when you have the different battery cells and you are connecting them, there are some dangerous points you should be aware of.
Maxime Yes, and for that part, we want to have a person for the EASA. So EASA is the organization who delivers the certificates to fly and we want to have a person who checks when we change some point of the plane.
Sebastian Okay, so he’s standing just behind you and helps you or gives you some advice? Or how does it look like in practical work?
Maxime Yeah, so for the moment, we don’t know, but in general, I can answer what I see on the other projects. But in general, students practice and connect batteries, etc. And they are first checked from companies, from engineers in other companies, and to finish the people who deliver the certificate, do the final check.
Sebastian Okay. Yeah, thanks.
Maxime Because for safety reasons, it’s logic.
Sebastian Yes, I have no idea what is important. But as I already told you, I just informed myself about building accumulation by myself for my house. My wife is not so happy about this idea, but we will see if one day I can do it. But just for an example, when you just put them together with the connectors, with the bars, I don’t know, bars, I think this is the word when you connect them, you should be really, really careful because of the halo effect when you use a screwdriver and so on, you need a special one or a prepared one, or it just is just an example. There are some danger points here.
Maxime Yes, but we have a local, so a big hangar for all association and we have some materials, a lot of materials to do what we need.
Sebastian Okay, sounds good.
Ismar Okay, one question more. In size, we don’t have to invent the wheel again, because our ancestors have invented the wheel maybe some thousands of years ago, or I don’t know how much. And you use what you have today in size. My question is, for sure you have a methodology, you have some materials you use, are you taking notes in the future to publish one or maybe many papers in the journals, or you don’t have this intention?
Maxime No, so we need to take a lot of notes about the project and what we are doing to why not publish something. So we need to take a lot of notes.
Ismar Because in the science, in this scientific world, if you don’t publish, you don’t exist. Suppose that you be a very good scientist in the future, and I suppose that it isn’t so long, but to be recognized in the world, you have to publish, then think about and talk to your teacher, your professors, your supervisor, you don’t have one, you don’t. And in order to publish, because you’ll be building your career in books, in journals, I think it’s something important to think about.
Maxime Yes, so we are taking notes about the project and about what we do, but I don’t know, so we don’t ask questions to teachers or to people in the school about that, but why not?
Sebastian But in the end, you don’t have to write, I don’t know how the English word is, to describe your project as a master work or asset, or I don’t know, you don’t have to do it? When you’re finishing the project?
Maxime During the project, we need to take some notes and to do presentations to different people, and we have some PDFs and different presentations about all of the projects, so we did that during all of the projects.
Sebastian Okay, but you don’t have to, when you are finishing your study thing, you don’t have to write a dissertation or something like that to finish your engineer with your project, for example.
Maxime So that’s possible, so I don’t need that to finish the engineering school, and we need to know that the project is really our project, and it’s according to the school, so we work in the local of the school, etc., but it’s really the project of students, so we don’t need to write a thesis or books about the project, because it’s just our project, but if I want to do a doctorate after the engineering school, I can publish something about, yes, and if I write a thesis, but that’s after the school. I don’t need to write that for the engineering diploma.
Ismar My question is in the same direction of Sebastián, because it isn’t clear for me, because here in Brazil it doesn’t matter what course you take, you have to publish a final paper, and in fact they require you present just one, I would say, in a formal way to have your diploma. You don’t have to prepare a monography, an individual, the name is the same, monography, yeah, it’s individual, to have your engineering diploma, you don’t have to present a monography at the end of your course?
Maxime No, I don’t have to present a monography for that. I just need to finish my studying, my different stage in different companies, because we have some stage each year, but I don’t have to write something for the diploma.
Frank I’m not here, keep going, the ball is in the court.
Ismar I’m giving a break, because I know that there are three more people here that maybe would like to ask some questions, okay? I suppose that Maxime is tired of listening to my voice and my questions.
Maxime Oh no, I’m not tired. I’m going to speak about the project all night, so after the meeting I have another meeting with the association to speak about the project, so it’s not a problem.
Sebastian So it’s a warm-up?
Maxime Yes, so almost exactly.
Igor What are you thinking here is like we have drones that are powered by batteries, right? Like the filming drones and things like that, so maybe it can be a good source of inspiration, because the mechanics seems like they are quite the same, so the battery to power are, I don’t know how to say in English, but the motor that spins.
Frank Propeller.
Igor Propeller. You see how to say that in English.
Fank Propeller.
Igor Propeller. Okay. Yeah, propeller. So it seems like it’s quite the same, right? I know there is difference, but you have to get power to power the propeller to launch, and after launch you’ll just need the power to make adjustments to keeping on the way in the altitude you need, and then you need the brakes when the airplane lands, so it would be maybe a good source of inspiration. What do you think? Or they are completely different?
Sebastian Sorry, Maxime, just a short thing. I thought about it when I saw it’s not a really nice example, but when you see what’s happening already in the Ukraine with the drones, what they are doing and how they are, I don’t know, doing the war or practicing the war, how they are using the drones. That is, you know, this is, I don’t know, 20 years ago, it was just the big ones, I think, in the sky, but not these small drones that they can use, and it maybe saves life on the one side, not on the other, maybe, but it’s a really fast development, yes. Okay, sorry, Maxime, go on.
Maxime We want to have an hour and a half or two hours of flying with the plane, so we want to have an hour and a half and two hours for safety, you know.
Igor Yeah, it seems like a very interesting project.
Maxime Yes. I think the big issue would be the autonomy because, of course, it wouldn’t be easy, but probably you’d be able to build a giant plane because we have toys that are electric planes, but they are toys. You would be able to scale that, but once you scale the size, the battery needs more power and the autonomy gets very low, right, so, yeah, I can understand the technical challenge. If you should talk to Ramask, he might know what to do.
Sebastian But when I saw a presentation from a German institute here not far away, a center of excellent of battery development in Stuttgart, and it’s a really, really nice presentation, Frank, if you are interested, it’s in German, but how fast the development goes over the last five years only in the battery sector because of the cars, that’s really impressive when I saw that, so, and as you already said, Maxime, now they are having, I don’t know how fast, but in the next months, maybe they are able to double the energy, the watt in the cells, so 2.5 was the factor, right?
Maxime Yes.
Sebastian So, and when you see a timer and what happens in the last, I don’t know, three or four years in the batteries, that’s really impressive.
Maxime Yes, but for the moment, we have just the NASA who work on that, and so the battery can cost, or the battery can be really expensive, and for the moment, NASA is the own company who work on that, so for the four or five years, I think there isn’t too much amelioration, but why not in 10 years, I think?
Ismar I’m not sure, but I think I read that some years ago, not too many, someone crossed the Atlantic Ocean in a photovoltaic plane, did anyone know about that?
Frank Yeah, there was something, a couple of years ago, yeah.
Maxime Yes, but that’s a little bit different, because it’s not really a plane, but I don’t have the name in English, but I can check.
Frank It was a glider, no?
Maxime Yes, yes, a glider, yes, yes.
Igor Yeah, maybe talking about the autonomy of the battery, maybe it’s a good idea to have the photovoltaic panels, because you would only need power to launch the airplane, and while it’s on the air, you will just use the energy of the plates to glide, and then you don’t need too much air energy, maybe it’s a solution.
Maxime Yes.
Igor Yeah, here in Brazil, we have a saying that everyone has a little bit of a doctor, and what’s the other profession, like, because there are professions that everyone like to give opinions about,
Ismar madness, madness, madness, and yeah, yeah, yeah,
Igor everyone has a little bit of a doctor, madness, and what’s the other one is one?
Ismar Lawyer, as Frank said, yes.
Igor So we could add engineer, everyone has a little bit of a doctor, madness, lawyer, and engineer.
Ismar And in our days, I would say that at least it’s Brazilian has like a drop in their blood of being president of Brazil, yeah?
Igor Oh, yes, yes, and like coach of soccer teams, Brazilians love to give opinions.
Frank I think that speaks for any nation, and Germany has 40 million soccer trainers, football trainers, and then Brazil probably about 100 million football trainers, yeah, they all know the sport much better. Like you said in your LinkedIn post, yeah, people who knew about CHATD GPT one day before it happened to zero, the number of experts the next day 10 million, yeah, it was an interesting comment. Okay, we’re going to the close of our hour. Well done, all of you for keeping the conversation going and for putting Maxim in the hot chair to speak spontaneously about his project, and that was part of the exercise this evening. Spontaneous reaction to, yes, a given subject, but, and as you know, I did share my little interview with Maxim with everybody, but who listens to it, I don’t know. But certainly, Maxim did not know what was going to come in terms of questions. And Maxim, you did exceedingly well in reacting to these questions, providing answers, and also to actually start getting people to think. So I think for me, the last point of creating new ideas in such a discussion was the photovoltaic panels, which you could probably put on the table, I’m an expert now as well, the photovoltaic panels on the wings, and that might actually add extra energy, but of course, these things weigh something, so you have to consider the weight of these photovoltaic panels as well, but you probably find a solution. And everybody could contribute either by way of questions from their own expertise, Sebastian with his knowledge of photovoltaic panels on his roof and what he wants to continue doing on that sector, if he can convince his wife to sign up on the agreement, Ismar, your academic background there, how universities work and how they function, what is necessary. And of course, Igor, your project management background and skills. Certainly interesting structure, how Maxim is creating an umbrella project and delegating sub-projects to the other parts of the school. Certainly also a very good marketing tactic, I could imagine that everybody will start talking about this plane of yours. And from the financing side, if we want to fly in this thing, Maxim, how much is a ticket going to cost, do you have any idea, so we can start saving our Euros, our Reals?
Maxime So how much is to fly an hour with the electric plane?
Frank Yeah, if we want to, if you say sorry guys, we can’t afford you to give you a free ride, you have to pay for it, can you give us an idea how much we’re going to have to spend on your?
Maxime Yes, we have a first idea for the moment, to compare a thermic plane costs around 150 the hour and an electric plane can cost 40 or 50.
Frank So 40 or 50, there are five of us here, so that’s under 10 euros an hour, I think we can do that gentlemen, 10 euros, 50 Reals per hour, I think we can do that. Can you fly Igor and Ismar across from Brazil?
Ismar Excuse me, I didn’t understand well how much is an hour flying, 4,000 euros?
Frank No, no, no, no, 40 euros.
Ismar Because a jet plane, for example, is actually a jet plane for 8-10 people, it costs around $5,000 per hour.
Maxime Yes, but here we speak about a little plane, like tourism plane in the Aerodrome with two or three planes, and so to compare a thermic plane cost 150 and the electrical can reduce three times the price.
Frank There you go, that will certainly revolutionize the aircraft, which is the cost.
Ismar Is it possible, one question more?
Frank Yeah, of course.
Ismar Maxim, it’s not about your project, it’s about your person, how much comfortable were you at answering our questions?
Maxime How much is it easy to answer your question?
Ismar How emotionally you were at answering us?
Maxime So I’m good. I take confidence to answer the question, and so I know my project, I know what I did, and so now it’s a little bit complicated to explain in English, but I’m more and more confident when I spoke about that, so it’s just good for me to improve my English speaking my project, so that was good. Thank you for your questions.
Frank Once you said, Maxim, it’s actually very important, because I read somewhere, I can’t remember where this week, that if you know your subject, if you said you know your project, you know at this stage of course you know the beginning of the project and you certainly showed this evening that you have researched this in great detail, I suppose you do nothing except talk about the project, because it’s a priority, and it was I think Steve Jobs who said if you know your subject, if you feel comfortable with your subject, you do not need PowerPoint slides, you do not need all this Microsoft support and all the pretty pictures. If you know your subject, you could talk about it, the trick is to talk about it; so it engages other people and motivates them to listen and to participate and to engage with you and to ask questions and that is something that you managed to do.
You and I have been talking about this project on and off for a few weeks now and every time we talk about it, you come out with some new information, some new details, some new twists and it’s fascinating, which is really fascinating to listen to you and to watch you grow and develop in this project, you share your enthusiasm and this is basically only one thing that probably you will build a following of people who will want to watch, observe and support you and make sure that this thing will actually, sorry the pun, take off in five years, until 2028 and that is a skill that you have already beginning to develop and if you can generate more enthusiasm in line with your personality, that you can really say this is fantastic and this is really exciting, as Igor keeps saying, he is excited, it was one of the phrases that he used all the time with his work, I’m excited in doing this and that’s a really important sort of phrase and concept to promote and share and there you will then motivate people to listen to you and engage in the discussion with you, so Maxime, congratulations on doing that. Gentlemen, thank you for all your questions and your support. Will you join us again next Tuesday Maxime, would you like to join our team on a more regular basis?
Maxime I don’t know if I have the time each week, but why not another time? Yeah, I have some homework and gymnastics and projects etc. but I can join you another time.
Frank Yeah, we can certainly, when you have some more news about your project, then we can certainly get together and listen to it. Yes.
Frank Okay, feedback on your side. Igor, you didn’t say very much this evening or this afternoon.
Igor Not in show aggregate, just listening. Just listening, okay.
Frank So to use one of your phrases, what added value did the meeting this evening have for you?
Igor For me, you mean? Yes, for you personally. Well, I think it was interesting to think about this kind of project, which is very far from my world and it’s very inspiring to know that people are working on very hard science issues. It’s very inspiring. Sometimes I am a little bit depressed and I started to watch videos of rockets flying through space so I feel inspired, like, oh, these people are working on those things.
Frank Yeah, so there you are, we are being inspired by Maxime.
Igor Yes, yes, very inspiring. That’s good.
Frank Sebastian, added value this evening, benefits, takeaways?
Sebastian I’m really interested in technic so it was a pleasure. So it was interesting to me, we already spoke about the topic, but it’s interesting how things are developing and so it’s really, yeah, I like the conversation and to exchange different topics. Topics, yeah, different aspects of the same topic. I put in the link in the chat to the, if somebody is interested, to the development of the, to a presentation of the battery development over the last years and there’s also a small part and it is about e-fuels, so it’s really interesting and I echo that, okay, and it’s possible to just translate it in your own language so that you are able to understand it.
Frank Well, Maxime originally comes from the Alsace, so he should be able to listen to it in German.
Maxime Yes, yes. It’s not possible for me to understand German.
Frank Okay, final word, so Ismar, you have the last word in our meeting this evening, can you give us a resume, a summary of your impressions?
Ismar Oh, Maxime, we have exchanged some ideas in our community, but it’s very amazing to know that there are you and probably thousand millions of young people that are studying hard, that are trying to make our world better, to improve our science and probably to solve many social and any kind of problem that you have in our society all around the world and I’m, I think that you should be very proud of you, your family should be proud of you and your country as well, much success for you.
Maxime Wow, I really thank you.
Igor We trust you, Maxime, to reduce the cost of flying. Okay, I’m trusting you, don’t let you down.
Frank All right, thank you for the last word. Ismar, gentlemen, have a nice afternoon in Brazil, and a nice evening here in Europe and we will see each other again at our respective times next week and again next Tuesday and we’ll continue with this format, bring in a topic and we will discuss it. So gentlemen, thank you for your time.
Thank you, gentlemen. See you guys. See you next week. Goodbye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.